Welcome back to The Exorcist Files, the podcast that documents the spiritual realm while encouraging you to wear that Ephesion 6 helm. I'm your co-host you love second or thirdmost, Ryan Bethay. And with me today

is my special guest, a fisher of men, the one the only can fish. Now, our guest has degrees from

Princeton, Fuller Theological Seminary. And unfortunately, we'll have to pray this out of him. He does

have an MBA from UCLA's business school. I will, of course, be delivering him, but we'll have to pray this out of him. He does have an MBA from UCLA's

business school. I will, of course, be delivering him, but you'll have to wait for the end of the episode, fight on to all my Trojans out there. And of course, with me, as always, is our non-sponsor. They have nothing to do with this, but I drink one every time we do this. If you're wondering what the secret is to my sparkling personality.

It is my sparkling water from Waterloo,

the unofficial beverage of Exorcists everywhere. time we do this. If you're wondering what the secret is to my sparkling personality, it is my

sparkling water from Waterloo, the unofficial beverage of Exorcists Everywhere. So, thank you,

Ken Fish for joining us today on the show. It's great to be with you, Ryan. What an introduction.

Hey, what's what we try to do. All right, before we start, there's so many things we have to get to today.

But, Ken, let me ask you this. They say you never forget your first deliverance, or as father says, your first exorcism.

Just to tease the fans a little bit about what we're going to be talking about today, is there a story or two or an experience that stands out as sort of the first time this went from the realm

of theory and the kind of stuff we read about to, oh, this is happening today. And this is realer

than I probably have ever imagined. Yeah, there is a story and it's a failed deliverance,

not a successful one. I was quite a bit younger than I am now,

and I was in Big Sur, California at a young adult's retreat with my church. And there were,

I don't remember now, it's been quite a few years, but there were a number of us up there,

maybe 20, 25, maybe as many as 30,

I don't know, but anyway, we were a group. We'd gone up to this campground in Big Sur, which,

for those who don't know what Big Sur is, it's below Monterey, California, or if you don't

know where Monterey is, below San San Francisco and it's above Los Angeles.

So there's a stretch of coastline there. It's a couple of hundred miles.

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