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The Way Out Is In

Spiritual Friendships (Episode #90)

The Way Out Is In

Plum Village

Education, Religion & Spirituality, Buddhism, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

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🗓️ 10 July 2025

⏱️ 102 minutes

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Summary

🎟 Get tickets to the live podcast episode in London. Welcome to episode 90 of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino are joined by Nho Tran, a nun in the Plum Village tradition for 17 years now continuing her spiritual journey as a layperson.  Together, they explore the profound importance of spiritual friendship in the Buddhist tradition, while Brother Phap Huu and Nho reflect on the personal journey of their decades-long friendship. They discuss the teachings of Thich Nhat Hanh on the centrality of community and togetherness in cultivating joy, stability, and liberation; the challenges and growth experienced through friendship; and the importance of deep listening and being present for one another, which allows for vulnerability, honesty, and the freedom to be one’s authentic self.  Bio Nho Tran is a scholar, facilitator, and former Buddhist nun in the Plum Village tradition of Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. She spent many years living and practicing in monastic communities across Asia, Europe, and North America, where she cultivated a deep commitment to interbeing, cultural resilience, and the art of mindful living. Nho’s work sits at the intersection of conflict transformation, ethics, and systems thinking. Drawing on her monastic formation and experience across diverse sectors, she supports individuals and communities in navigating difficult conversations, fostering cultural change, and reimagining leadership grounded in compassion and collective wisdom. She holds a joint degree in Cognitive Neuroscience and Religion from the University of Southern California, a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School, and an MA from Harvard University. She is currently a PhD candidate at Harvard’s Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, where her research explores the intersections of religion, ethics, governance, and Vietnamese Buddhist history. Nho teaches negotiation, ethics, and conflict resolution at Harvard, and continues to serve as a bridge between contemplative practice and social transformation. Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/   And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ List of resources Live show: The Way Out Is In podcast with special guest Ocean Vuong plumvillage.uk/livepodcastOcean Vuonghttps://www.oceanvuong.com/Interbeinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing   Ānanda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80nanda Pali Canonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pali_Canon  The Three Marks of Existencehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_marks_of_existence The Miracle of Mindfulness https://plumvillage.shop/products/books/personal-growth-and-self-care/the-miracle-of-mindfulness-2/ Marahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_(demon)Brother Spirithttps://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-phap-linhThich Nhat Hanh: Redefining the Four Noble Truthshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eARDko51XdwMaitreyahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya  Quotes “When we receive a Dharma name, it is almost like a trust that we’re receiving. It is also the intention that a teacher sees our potential in it. And it’s something that is given to us to practice for our whole life.”  “Learn to befriend yourself first, and then learn to be a friend of many.” “Spiritual friendship is the whole of the spiritual path. It is the entirety of the spirit path.” “Monk, you have to have a good friendship. You have to have good conversations. You have to have good deeds. You have to

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0:00.0

Dear friends, welcome to this latest episode of the podcast, The Way Out is In.

0:26.6

I'm Joe Confino working at the intersection of personal transformation and systems evolution. And I am Brother Fabhu, a Zen Buddhist monk student of Zen Master Ticknikhan in the Plum Village tradition.

0:33.6

And before we begin today's episode, we would like to share something special.

0:39.2

On September 12, Joe and I will be recording a live episode of The Way Out Is In, in London,

0:46.8

and will be joined by author and poet Ocean Vuong, who is a dear friend of mine, and who has

0:52.1

a deep love for our teacher, Ticknikan, and a deep love for

0:55.9

the Plum Village tradition. The evening will be a deep reflection on how we can cultivate joy

1:01.2

and togetherness in the midst of hardship, something that we all need. You can find details and

1:07.4

tickets at Plum Village.ukk slash liveast, and we truly hope to see you there.

1:14.1

Yeah, and just before that, on August the 26th, Brother Fapu and I will be releasing our second book,

1:20.0

which is called Calm in the Storm, Zen ways to cultivate stability in an anxious world.

1:26.4

It's a companion for these uncertain times, and we're really happy to share this journey with you.

1:31.9

You can pre-order it now and it will also be available at the live event in London.

1:36.6

We really look forward to seeing you there.

1:39.9

And now on to today's episode and we are going to be talking about the power of spiritual friendship.

1:47.0

The way out to steam. Hello everyone. I'm Joe Confino.

2:12.5

And I'm Brother Fab Hu.

2:13.7

And brother, do you want to introduce our special guest today? Today, we are joined by a dear friend of

2:21.0

my, my soul sister, right and I. Her name is Nya. And we first met in Plum Village as teenagers in 2000,

2:31.1

but she already met my blood sister in 1998 during our summer opening. So we're all

2:38.0

children of Plum Village coming for many, many years and growing up to understand what real

2:43.6

Buddhism is through Thai as well as the Plum Village Ways. And in 2001, without knowing,

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