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The Free Press Investigates

Spiral | 2. Wrong Place, Wrong Time?

The Free Press Investigates

The Free Press

Society & Culture

4.716K Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

A man seen breaking into cars near the crime scene is arrested, and he lies to police about what he’s been up to. But does that make him a killer? As the case builds against him, his defense team uncovers a piece of evidence that could change everything. --- Become a paid subscriber to The Free Press to binge the full series today, and with reduced ads. Click here to subscribe ---- Host: Frannie Block Producer: Poppy Damon Executive Editor: Emily Yoffe --- Contact us at: spiral@thefp.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Previously on Spiral.

0:03.8

The president of a Detroit synagogue who was found stabbed to death outside of her home yesterday morning.

0:09.5

I thought that it was my neighbor, Sam Wall.

0:12.5

I would look at everybody and say, could you have done it?

0:15.1

Could you have done it?

0:16.1

Could you have done it?

0:17.0

Sam wasn't a cutthroat divorce attorney.

0:19.9

Sam didn't have a long list of enemies.

0:22.6

In my bone of bones really feel I did a hate crime.

0:26.6

Who knows? If this was targeted, maybe they were able to get to her, but I should be on that list too.

0:34.6

You had no idea who would have the motivation to kill Samuel.

0:37.8

Nope.

0:38.5

Nothing.

0:47.2

A Detroit police station, November, 2003.

0:52.0

One white officer sits across from a black man they've pulled in for an interview.

0:57.5

He's in his late 20s, wearing a black hoodie and a yellow vest. The officer is bald, stocky,

1:04.4

and has a goatee. The young man looks anxious. It's understandable. He was picked up on his way to his job at Fresh Roots, a Detroit smoothie shop.

1:14.6

His hands are in his lap underneath the table, and the officer is writing notes.

1:19.6

And the guy in the hoodie asks at one point,

1:22.6

Am I being arrested?

1:24.6

Well, I mean, you are in custody. No, I mean, you are in custody.

1:29.3

We'll see how this goes.

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