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The Politics Guys

Spiked 60 Minutes Story, Trump’s 2025, Trump-Kennedy Center?

The Politics Guys

Michael Baranowski

Politics, News

4.4783 Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2026

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Mike and Michael open with CBS News pulling a 60 Minutes investigation into alleged abuse of Venezuelan migrants deported to El Salvador, focusing less on the prison itself than on what the decision signals about media independence. Mike argues that conditioning broadcast on administration participation amounts to false balance and effectively hands officials a veto over investigative journalism, while Michael stresses that the move breaks with 60 Minutes’ role as a mass-audience accountability institution rather than a niche outlet. Next, the guys step back and treat Trump’s first year as a scorecard exercise, weighing major 2024 campaign promises against outcomes across inflation, Ukraine, taxes, tariffs, immigration, and “draining the swamp.” Michael frames the segment as a reality check on which promises were structurally impossible, which were substantively kept, and which were kept only by expanding executive power, while Mike emphasizes that Trump largely delivered where he could, but at the cost of higher prices, degraded state capacity, and long-run institutional risks that are likely to matter more politically than symbolic wins. They close with Trump’s move to put his name on the Kennedy Center, debating whether it represents routine branding or an abuse of power that politicizes a national memorial. Michael highlights the legal vulnerabilities and cultural backlash already hurting the institution, while Mike sees the episode as emblematic of Trump’s show-business instincts and insecurity, warning that spectacle-driven politics may be crowding out restraint as the country looks ahead to 2028. The Politics Guys on Facebook | X Check out the excellent Sustainable Planet podcast. Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. You can support us or change your level of support at patreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support. On Venmo, we’re @PoliticsGuys. The Politics Guys is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Atheists, agnostics, long-haired widows, short-haired widows, vandal, hooligans.

0:05.1

I love the government, hug the government, hug the government, love, the government, hug the government.

0:12.0

Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational, and civil debate on American politics and policy.

0:18.7

I'm Northern Kentucky University political scientist Michael Baranowski. I'm Northern Kentucky University political scientist Michael

0:21.4

Baranowski. I'm joined today by political scientist Michael Levy. Good morning, Michael.

0:27.6

Hey, Michael. You know, as I mentioned, there were a number of things we didn't get to, in part

0:33.2

because we wanted to at least start our initial thoughts on what was going on in Venezuela,

0:42.7

so we can just go ahead and get right to it. And this kind of actually is connected to that, in a way. On December 1st of last year, CBS News pulled the 60 Minutes investigative piece

0:49.7

inside Seacott shortly before it was going to air. And the segment, which both of us

0:55.9

had the opportunity to watch, detailed the alleged torture and abuse of Venezuelan migrants

1:02.1

deported to El Salvador-Sikot prison by the Trump administration. Now, the piece had passed

1:07.7

the standard legal and editorial vetting at 60 Minutes, but CBS's newly

1:12.8

appointed editor-in-chief, Barry Weiss, ordered it off the broadcast anyway, saying that it wasn't

1:18.6

ready and needed additional reporting, particularly in the form of on-camera interviews with

1:24.4

administration officials who had declined to participate.

1:28.2

Now, producers at 60 Minutes and the correspondent who did the piece, Sharon Afonzi, called

1:33.0

the decision political and warned that requiring official participation before segments there,

1:39.1

in effect, gives those in power a veto over investigative reporting that focuses on them.

1:45.3

Now, the decision has led to a certain amount of internal dissent within CBS News,

1:51.3

as well as a broader backlash.

1:53.8

Critics have asserted that it undermines journalistic norms,

1:57.3

and it also reflects what they see as a shift in editorial posture of CBS News under

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