I'm Frank Figuzy, former FBI assistant director for counterintelligence.

Join me on a journey to explore our nation's security, the forces that threaten it, and the people who preserve it.

Let's talk with insiders in and around the intelligence community, law enforcement, and the

military, including, of course, the FBI. They'll take us deep into their stories, their

mission, and their lives as we go behind and beyond the Bureau.

Why cheat and steal in the interests of the United States government?

Shift, change, more.

We're going to cheat you espionage. Yeah, we don't want a domestic spy agency out of control.

We're learning Vietnamese six hours a day for 47 weeks.

We still don't have the tools in the toolkit, in my opinion.

We don't have a domestic terrorism law.

Americans have turncoat mostly for money and for revenge.

Never mind a wake-up call, we can't even agree on what an alarm clock looks like.

If the same mobs could be coming back to Washington to overturn the democratic processes,

that is coming.

Jeff Stein is the founder and editor-in-chief of Spy Talk, a newsletter covering the U.S.

Intelligence Community, Defense department, and foreign policy

on the substack platform. Before that, he was the spy talk columnist and national security correspondent

at Newsweek. And previous to that, the spy talk blogger at the Washington Post.

I can't think of a better person to have on this episode to go back in time and talk about

intelligence, spying, espionage, counterintelligence, and then hit fast forward and apply

what we know from the past to the present in terms of the spy game.

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