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Hey, everybody, Pat here. I need to tell you something. My other podcast asked Pat,

which has been up since 2014 with over 1200 episodes recorded tens of millions of downloads,

hundreds of thousands of dollars in sponsorship earnings over time is now gone. Well, it's

still there, but I've stopped producing episodes for it. And I wanted to share why we as a team

made this decision where it comes from why and more importantly, what you can learn from it.

Now, it was successful for sure. As Pat was one of the most fun projects that I've ever created.

I remember the start of it. It takes me back to Starbucks in Maramisa, which is where I grew up.

And John Lee Dumas was in town. He was still living in San Diego at the time. And I invited him

out for coffee because I needed to ask him a really important question. And that question was John,

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