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Did you like your gravy sick and rich and loaded with kareemimotrooms?

If no one was looking, would you chug the whole gravy boat?

Chug, chug, chug, chug.

Stay tuned. Here comes Mr. Chug-a-Lug himself, Eric Mataxis.

Hey there folks, welcome to the show.

Yeah, it's just a show. It's not real. My name's Eric Mataxis and I usually have the joy of

talking to interesting people, many of whom have written books. Today is no exception.

The book I'm holding in my hand is called How to Save the West, Ancient Wisdom for Five Modern

Crysees by Spencer Klaven. Who is Spencer Klaven? You ask other than the son of Andrew.

And we're going to get to that, don't you worry. Spencer Klaven is a scholar, writer,

podcaster, lifelong devotion to the great works and principles of the West.

After studying Greek and Latin as an undergraduate at Yale, I don't normally read book copy,

but this is so good. After studying Greek and Latin as an undergraduate at Yale, he spent five

years at Oxford, earning his doctorate in ancient Greek literature. Now he's an editor for the

Klaven Institute. He's written for this and that and the other thing and he's my guest right now

Spencer. Welcome to the program. Eric, thanks so much for having me. It's great to be here.

Well, it's a great to meet you even this way and I was saying to you before we began that

your father, Andrew, who my rever was my guest at Socrates in the city not very long ago

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