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Hello and welcome to Spectator Out Loud, where each week we choose some of our favourite articles from their magazine and ask their writers to read them aloud.

I'm Petra Gibbons and on this week's podcast. The Spectator's

editor Michael Gove interviews Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood in a wide-ranging interview touching

on grooming gangs, AI and the oath she swore in the Quran. The full interview can be found

at spectator.co.com.uk forward slash TV. Max Jeffrey accompanies the police in East London and looks at the search for

the parents for three abandoned babies. Paul Wood asks if it's really the end of the Kurdistan

Workers Party. Susanna Jowett examines death at the Chelsea Flower Show. And finally,

Layla Sani reviews Graham Swift's new anthology of short stories,

12 post-war tales. Up first, Michael Gove. Shabana Mahmoud may be the only Labour politician

to have persuaded Rishi Sudak to vote for her. The former Prime Minister was in the year

above Mahmoud when they both studied at Lincoln College Oxford in the 1990s.

When she ran for JCR President, Sunak pledged to support.

Meeting Mahmoud in her ministerial office this week, I can understand why.

There's a sense of quiet purpose about her that instills confidence.

I'm predisposed to sympathise with her more than most

because she occupies the post that I held for 15 months, Lord Chancellor. It's the most glamorous

and also the least attractive job in the cabinet. You're the only minister with your own

personal gold-braided gown, wig, pumps and purse-bearer, or at least the only

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