So, Tony, in the interests of just full journalistic disclosure here, it feels important to mention

that you did not want to participate in this at all.

I thought it was silly.

Yeah.

No, I mean, you know, 20 years is a long time, but it's sort of an arbitrary number.

And to make a celebration to me just felt like a memorial, you know.

It felt like we were going over the side and this was it. And then they'd run this show. And the

next day they'd say, that's it. We're done. Have a nice life. So, you know, I didn't, I didn't really

want to participate in it. That is not a joke. That is, in fact, Tony Kornheiser, peak Kornhizer, I would argue. And I can say that because I have spent years getting to know this man as his de facto television grandson, learning from and working with one of the greatest journalists and television co-hosts of his generation.

I'm not otherwise occupied.

I am pleased to be joined by our great friend from the ESPN Daily podcast, my grandson, Pablo Torre.

And yes, this is Pablo Torre, as my grandfather just said there, host of the ESPN Daily podcast,

and for the next four weekends, we're doing this side project in our feed.

It's a kind of family history of 20 years apart in the interruption,

the sports talk show that changed Mike and Tony's lives and sports television

and also sports itself,

all of which means that I have been hanging out with this guy.

I'm Mike Wilbon from ESPN, co-host of Pardon the Interruption.

And this guy.

I'm Anthony Irwin Cornheiser and I yodel on television for a living.

And as their show goes into its third decade now,

in this time of extreme media upheaval,

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