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Welcome to another special podcast here.

It's an interview with Patrick Miller.

He's one of the co-authors for a book called Truth Over Tribe, along with Keith Simon.

Truth Over Tribe, and it has some donkeys and elephants on the cover and a lamb in between

them.

It says pledging allegiance to the lamb, not the donkey or the elephant.

I really appreciated this book.

I don't agree with everything in there, but that's kind of the point.

And I really enjoyed talking with Patrick.

I'm not feeling real good.

So if you're like, wow, he's even slower on the draw than usual, that's why.

But I still think it's a really good conversation.

I hope you enjoy it.

It's lengthy, longer than usual.

But hey, I thought, you know, it's too long, you just opt out.

So, that's fine, I enjoyed it.

So anyway, the following is our pretty unstructured conversation about the book Truth Over Tribe

with Patrick Miller.

I'm totally grooving with you on this book.

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