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Welcome back to Sirius XM. I'm John Fuglesang. I am so excited to talk about this next book. In a world of business that is obsessed with ever-expanding profit, Patagonia founder Yuvan Schwinnard, who gave away his corporation to fight climate change. The man who said Earth is now our only shareholder is famously one of the most unorthodox and ethical billionaires

in corporate history. New York Times journalist David Gellis spent a few years following Mr.

Sweenard all around the world to understand how a rock climber became one of the most admired capitalists

on earth. And his new book is Dynamite on so many levels. Dirtbag billionaire, how Yvonne

Sweenard built Patagonia, made a fortune, and gave it all away. And it tells the story

of a man in contemporary business who broke all the rules succeeded anyway. What a pleasure to welcome David Gellis to Sirius XM.

Hello, sir.

Hi, thanks for having me.

I love the book.

You've written about guys like Jack Welch.

I'm dying to know what made you want to turn your attention and so much of your time to a guy who is arguably Jack Welch's opposite.

Well, you're right on that front. Listen, I've been a business reporter for more than 20 years now,

and so I've covered the good, the bad, the ugly of business. I interviewed Bernie Madoff

in prison. I covered Boeing after the two deadly 737 Max crashes. I wrote about Jack Welch,

who I contend had a really nefarious influence

on the modern economy. But along the way, I've also really tried to focus on business

leaders and stories that show how corporate American can be a force for good. And in that long

history, there's arguably no more famous company than

Patagonia. Patagonia is really for so many people, the beacon of social responsibility.

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