Welcome to the Bullwork Podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes. This is our special indictment

Bullwork Podcast. Later in the program, we'll be joined by my colleagues Mona Cherin

and Will Salatan. But we are joined for the first half of the podcast by former Congressman

Adam Kinzinger. Adam, how are you? Charlie, it's good to be with you. What a day. What an unexpected

evening. What a day. What an extraordinary moment. I wrote this one, two things can be true

at the same time. The indictment of Donald Trump on multiple felony counts is an historic

indication of the principle that nobody's above the law, but also that our democracy and our

legal system are about to face a hugely dangerous stress test. I think a lot of people have mixed

feelings about this. I'm anxious to get your take on all this. You've spent the last several

years dealing with the threat that Donald Trump poses to this country. The morning after

his indictment in New York, what do you think? I have such mixed feelings because I think

like you've been talking about for a while, I really wish this wasn't the first to go.

I think a lot of my colleagues are too quick obviously to jump the gun and say, this is

political, it's nothing, it's a nothing burger. I don't even think Donald Trump's read

the indictment. I don't see how they could up. It's going to depend on how the indictment

reads. If it truly is just a matter of campaign finance that has been stretched into a felony,

boy, on the one hand, you look at it and say, nobody's above the law, but that's going

to be a real test for our country. Hopefully by Alvin Brad moving forward, he's done

so with solid evidence. There could be some surprises in here. I can't find

it like a perfect position to settle on because I'm so conflicted on this thing. I heard

somebody yesterday say something like, what's the very sobering moment because regardless

of your opinion, we are now a country that hasn't died at a former president. We had taken

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