Special: How progressives blew it - and how they can fix it. With Peter Hyman
The Two Matts
The New World
4.4 • 523 Ratings
🗓️ 27 January 2025
⏱️ 76 minutes
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Summary
In a wide-ranging and fascinating conversation, Peter Hyman - former senior advisor to both Tony Blair and Keir Starmer - discusses his recent New European cover story and the reaction to it. What are the seven deadly sins of progressive centrist politics and its adherents? How can we stem the rising tide of populist nationalism? And how is Keir Starmer’s government doing so far? Peter - who also set up the ground-breaking School 21 in Stratford, London - also discusses what’s wrong with our education system and why radical change is much needed if we are going to prepare our children for the challenges of life in the 21st Century. Enjoy!
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| 1:01.3 | by the subscribers of the new European. It is. And we are joined by, I'm delighted to say we're |
| 1:05.8 | joined by Peter Hyman. This is a special episode. Yeah, this is a special because Peter wrote |
| 1:10.5 | what I've just described to him as the most debated and reacted to peace. |
| 1:16.8 | I think we've ever run really, which was the cover the week before last, which was headlined How to Beat Populism. |
| 1:24.4 | And it was a very precise and thorough diagnostic of where you feel, and this, by the way, we must discuss this word progressives a bit more as well, but where you feel the progressive center has got it wrong in the past, in its attitude and its demeanor. |
| 1:41.8 | And also kind of optimistic prognosis for how we might make amends |
| 1:48.3 | and fight against the tide of corrosive nationalism, etc., etc. |
| 1:53.1 | So just to explain who you are, Peter, you were a senior advisor to Tony Blair for five or six years, |
| 2:00.0 | weren't you? |
| 2:00.2 | Nine years. |
| 2:01.0 | Really? Forgive me, way't you? Nine years. Really? |
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