Hello and welcome to the Storygrid podcast. This is a show dedicated to helping you become a better

writer. I'm your host Tim Graal and I am a struggling writer trying to figure out how to tell a story

that works. Joining me shortly as Sean Coyne, he is a creator of Story Grid, the author of the

book Story Grid, and an editor with over 25 years experience. This is a really

special episode for me. Stephen Presfield joins Sean and I to discuss both the publishing of

Steve's new book, The Artist's Journey, along with mine running down a dream. And for those of you

that have been following along for so long on this podcast, it's just really

meaningful to have this book finally come out. In fact, it's coming out today, July 11th. And so we just

spend a few minutes talking about what it was like to write these books, what we're trying to

accomplish with these books, and what it's like publishing them through Black Irish publishing.

So it's a really fun conversation.

We hit on a lot of topics.

And so I hope you'll enjoy it.

Let's jump in and get started.

Okay, guys, so I'm glad you both were able to come today to do this show.

And I thought it would be great to bring both of you together because as the editor of both of your

books, I found the work that you both did to be extraordinarily complimentary.

And what I thought would be fun would be to talk about sort of the genesis or the sort of

the birth story of each one of these projects.

I want to begin with Steve because I do recall,

I think it's maybe about three or four years ago, Steve, when we had a pile of ideas that we

were going through. And one of them was this project that you told me about where you said,

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