Hello and welcome to the Story Grid podcast. This is a show dedicated to helping you become a better writer.

I'm your host Tim Grawl and I am a struggling writer trying to figure out how to tell a story that works.

In this episode, I actually have two amazing experts joining me. First, of course, I have Sean Coyne. He's the editor with 25 years experience,

and he is the creator of StoryGrid. But alongside him is an author, Stephen Presfield,

who Sean has been partners with for a long time. He's been editing Steve Pressfield's work

for over 20 years. He's an amazing author author and he's joining us as well to talk about

his brand new book, Nobody Wants to Read Your Shit. It's a great book and it's much more

positive than maybe the title suggests. And we dive into resistance and how you can become a

better writer, how your career track can take. And it's a really great episode.

This is part one of a two-part series where Steve is joining us. I know you're going to love it.

We're going to jump in and get started. So Steve, it was interesting as I was reading just the first few chapters of your new book.

You didn't come from a family of anybody that did like creative stuff. Is that true? Yeah, that's true. So for me, like the idea

of being a writer was like totally from left field. And that was probably one of the reasons

why I took so long for me to

kind of embrace it because I came from you know a family of like business people you know and uh

there just was nobody that was creative at all in the family no artist or anything like that

yeah so I was taught that I'm a very pragmatic sort of fella, and that was very much taught to me.

And so I've been working with writers now for a while, and I've written two books, but they're very non-fiction-y.

This is how to do something practical books.

Right.

And so as I've started to transition into writing fiction, I have just

dealt with so much embarrassment about it. Like when people ask me about, I'm like, please don't

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