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What is up, everybody? Welcome back to an all new episode of the Pack of Day podcast. I'm your host,

Andy Herman. You can follow me on Twitter at Andy Herman NFL. I am joined once again by Ben Freaking Fennell.

You can find him on Twitter at Ben Fennell underscore NFL. Ben, it has been far too long. I don't know

when the last time we chatted was, but however long ago it was,

like I said, it was far too long. I'm so excited to have you back on the show. It feels like we were just talking about potential draft picks for Green Bay. A season ago, we've got so much to discuss. First of all, welcome back and how the heck have you been. I'm doing great. It has been a while, but myself, like 30 other teams, have moved on to the draft, moved on to the offseason,

and it's time to start looking ahead. It's an exciting. It has been a while, but myself, like 30 other teams, have moved on to the draft, moved on to the

offseason, and it's time to start looking ahead.

It's an exciting time.

It's kind of that clean slate or build your slate time of the year.

And, you know, there's optimism building as teams are kind of ripping the page clean.

And like myself, putting 2023 to bed and moving forward here. So senior

bulls on the TV, Super Bowls a week away. We're hitting February here. It's a good time to be

alive. It very much is. And again, we have so much to discuss because it is free agency draft,

end of the season, end of year reviews. There's all of it. We still have, of course,

a Super Bowl to be played.

But I want to start with, obviously, the latest news. And that is that the Packers have a new defensive coordinator. That is Jeff Hathley. And I just want to get, I know you already did a little bit of a dive into some of the tape and the analytics and the stats from, from BC. So your thoughts on the packers decision to hire jeffley as defensive coordinator listen full disclosure i'm playing catch-up like everybody else all right

i wasn't sitting on my couch saturdays whilst watching boston college most weekends right and i

wasn't studying their prospects for the most part over the last three and four seasons. I think they had one player on the defensive side drafted in the last four years. And of course, that's our own Isaiah McDuffie. There was a day three pick there. But did study him a little bit, studying their little edge rusher that didn't come out. And Josh DeBerry was a nice nickel before he transferred over to Texas A&M. So I want to fire up the tape

and get a general assessment for the scheme, not necessarily the talent because Boston College,

these middling college programs, I don't know what type of talent they're getting. I don't know if

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