Hello, Danny Fortsen here. Something special for you today as we're giving you an edition

of the new daily podcast from The Times and Sunday Times. It's called Stories of Our Times,

and it is presented by Manveen Rana and David Aronovich. It comes out every day and focuses on one

story per episode, including this one, which features yours truly.

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Have a listen.

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Enjoy.

Heaven knows we all want out of lockdown. Could Apple and Google be our saviors and help get us out?

Here they are these two trillion dollar companies saying, give us a couple months and we'll turn every phone on the planet into a tracking device.

In some countries, governments are tracking people's movements in a way that only months ago,

in all but the most authoritarian, would have been unthinkable.

But these are extraordinary times.

And here too, we might well put our trust in Silicon Valley.

What engineers do is build stuff,

and they don't often stop to ask whether they should.

If you're trying to put a genie back in the bottle,

it would serve you well to think about how you create the genie in the first place.

You're listening to stories of our times from the Times and the Sunday Times.

I'm David Aronovich.

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