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Decoding the Gurus

Special Episode: Interview with Thi Nguyen, a Gurometer's Guru

Decoding the Gurus

Christopher Kavanagh and Matthew Browne

Science, Leisure, Social Sciences, Society & Culture

4.21.1K Ratings

🗓️ 29 January 2021

⏱️ 98 minutes

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Summary

Today we talk to C. Thi Nguyen, a philosophy professor at University of Utah.

He has some excellent insights into the kind of discourse that *feels* like it gives us insight, that wonderful 'aha' moment. Basically, what happens when unscrupulous actors aim to optimise that feeling - putting aside concerns as to whether or not it's the real thing.

Thi has previously studied 'moral outrage porn', which is a bit like food porn, but for your emotions.

You might say "X-porn" is any material that gives us the fascimile of the thing, without having to put in the hard yards of actually doing the thing.

You might also say there's such a thing as 'insight porn' and maybe that's what Gurus deliver!

Matt and Chris feel like they got some real insights (touch wood) from their chat with Thi and they hope you do too!

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More from Thi Nguyen:

Thi writes about many things, including echo chambers, epistemic bubbles and the seductive feeling of clarity.


Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello. Hello and welcome to Decoding the Guoons the podcast with two academics listen to

0:18.8

content from gurus across the online world and we try to understand what they're talking about.

0:24.0

And in this special interview slash chatette episode we have someone here to help us

0:30.0

understand some of the reasons why gurus are so appealing so welcome

0:34.5

T Newin. Hello hello. Okay so T is a professor in philosophy at the University of

0:40.4

Utah and he's that's a very interesting work on how the online

0:45.9

infosphere affects people's thinking including the phenomenon of outrage porn which

0:51.4

he can tell us about as well as epistemic bubbles and echo chambers and other

0:57.1

interesting things so it's great to have you on to thank you very much So to get us rolling, we might start off with briefly with your stuff on outrage point because

1:10.8

on DTG we're really interested in essentially fake things and

1:17.1

masquerading is the real thing right well explain. So yeah, so outrage point is kind of a similar thing.

1:28.0

So maybe tell us a quick bit about that.

1:31.0

Okay, so this paper and I will be honest the paper started

1:37.8

as a drunk Facebook conversation on someone else's thread between me and Becca Williams who turned into my co-author for this.

1:45.0

And I was just like, two in the morning. I was like, you know what no one's given a good definition of food porn?

1:51.0

Because we talk about it all the time.

1:52.7

It's like defined stuff.

1:54.1

Of course, it's like this huge amount of work

1:56.1

on like sexual pornography,

1:57.7

but there's just new use, right?

1:59.4

And I think we all know it.

2:00.6

Food porn, poverty porn, ruined porn, like closet porn. My wife says to calm herself

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