Special Edition: The President is a 'Subject'

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🗓️ 4 April 2018

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

The Washington Post reports this evening that: "Mueller told Trump’s attorneys the president remains under investigation but is not currently a criminal target." The report comes the same day as Alex van der Zwaan was sentenced to 30 days in jail for lying to Mueller's probe. On this emergency podcast, Benjamin Wittes is joined by Quinta Jurecic, Lawfare's deputy managing editor, who was in the courtroom for the van der Zwaan sentencing; Orin Kerr, a former federal prosecutor and the Duggan Distinguished Professor of Law at the University of Southern California; and Paul Rosenzweig, who served under Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr.

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0:27.2	and the aftermath.
0:29.8	I'm Benjamin Widis and this is the LawFair podcast special edition April 3rd.
0:37.0	The Washington Post reports this evening Mueller told Trump's attorneys the president remains
0:43.6	under investigation but is not currently a criminal target.
0:48.8	According to the Washington Post in private negotiations in early March about a possible
0:55.0	presidential interview Mueller described Trump as a subject of his investigation into
1:01.1	Russia's interference in the 2016 election.
1:05.8	The special counsel also told Trump's lawyers that he is preparing a report about the president's
1:11.7	actions while in office and potential obstruction of justice.
1:16.6	The report came the same day as Alexander Vanderswan became the first person sentenced
1:24.3	in the Mueller probe joining me on a recorded conference line apologies for the lousy audio
1:32.2	quality this evening are Paul Rosen's Wig or in Kerr and Quinta Jurassic each with special
1:41.8	things to talk about the latest turns of events.
1:47.0	Let's start with Quinta who was in the courtroom today when Alex Vanderswan sang his Vanderswan
1:55.6	song.
1:56.6	Sorry about that guys.
1:58.6	Quinta, what happened?
2:00.5	What was the scene?
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