The Well, thank you all for joining us for a special edition of the American Mind

podcast we're recording it on Zoom as well. We wanted to use this weird election week or two as it rolls through.

A target of opportunity came across, We got in touch through mutual connection

with Matt Brainerd, who was the data chief

for the 2016 Trump campaign,

and has found himself in the quickly stood up role of evaluating some of this data of possible

voter fraud in many of the key states.

So I'm joined with my by my colleague, Spencer Clavin, the associate editor of the Carmart Review of books

and the American mind.

Thanks for joining us, Matt.

Happy to be here.

Thanks for having me.

Of course.

So just give us some background, if you would.

First of all, I just quickly what you did before

you came on board in 16 with the Trump campaign what you've been up to since and how you

found yourself where you are right now? Well, before I joined the Trump

campaign in 2016 I was a political consultant for small campaigns all of their

country as well as for nonprofits in DC and at the time I was a graduate student at Columbia. In the

intervening time I've been continuing to do general consulting for campaigns

from C to Shining C and working again for a non-profits here in the DC area working on

on center-right causes you know everything from airlines to tax policy, etc.

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