As tensions between Israel and the US escalate yet further, we speak to two legends of American politics.

We have David Axelrod and Mike Murphy.

The hacks on tap are on unholy.

I'm Jonathan Friedland of The Guardian in London.

And I'm Unileviot, Channel 12 in Tel Aviv.

Unholy, Two Jews on the News.

Really looking forward to that conversation later in the program.

What are we going to call it? A podcasting double date? It's a bit like that because they're a podcasting duo of legendary

standing. It was actually you who got me into that and to Hacks on Tap. Thank you for admitting that.

I was wondering if you had conveniently forgotten that or did you remember? Very much not.

Very much not. And I am a

complete devotee of that brilliant podcast and we are lucky enough to have both of them with us later on.

So there's tons to talk about. Yes, of course, they also do the podcast with Robert Gibbs.

Next time we have to improve and do it with the five of us, but now it's going to be the four of us

coming on later. You know, these kind of are the days where we cling to any kind of escapism,

right? So there's only one question I have for you this week, Jonathan Friedland. Where is Kate?

Oh, the Kate song. I know you know. I know you know because you're British and you're a journalist and you write thrillers for a living.

I know you know the real answer and you're hiding it for me.

And that just makes me feel, it offends me, really.

I've had the crazy conversations.

Even in this country, we're in a war and you cannot believe, you know, people calling me up with their theories.

It's completely gone wholly international there.

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