You believe in all sorts of things like equality and compassion and consent and enlightenment, science, freedom, progress.

You believe in human rights and the inviolable dignity and worth of every person and that life is sacred.

All these things are beliefs that you can't prove.

Like, they're not the result of a logical argument.

And so what I'm not trying to do is make a leap of faith, Sally.

What I'm trying to say is, you're already mid-air, Sally. You need to ground beneath your feet, and only Jesus will

too. Welcome, everybody. This is Simon Gilbo with Inspired. Inspired, for if you knew to us,

is all about just telling stories, listening to people's journeys, including sucker punches,

challenges they faced and basically overcoming faith. And we're bombarded with bad news

relentancy these days. It's so depressing. So it's good to be encouraged. I trust that in 45, 50

minutes' time, you will leave, hopefully with just a sense that God is still at work. He's still on his throne and encouraged in your own faith journey. So that's what we're aiming at this week. I'm really excited because we've got Glenn Scrivener with us. Welcome, Glenn. Hey, Simon. Great to have you. So Glenn, I think he might be our first Aussie. We've had a few New Zealanders, but originally from Australia, living for a long time in England.

He's the director of Speak Life.

He's an author, speaker of Vanges, podcasts, all sorts of stuff.

I first came across him a few years ago when he interviewed my sister, Tracy Wilde, about losing her baby girl, Robin.

And, yeah, to me, Glenn's a relatively rare breed of big brain, good at theology,

philosophy, but also very good at communicating. Tracy said what struck her was that you could

just communicate so well without any notes, which is just, I think, powerful. I've loved your

reading between the lines, sort of journeying through the Old New Testaments. You've written a number of books. But anyway, I don't say any more than that. Basically, let's just kick off. And Glenn, tell us about your childhood, your background, context. Sure. Your sister is amazing. What a legend. Yeah, I loved interviewing Tracy. and, it's so much of what I do nowadays is just to have

a conversation with somebody who's been sustained through difficult times and then talking

about the hope that Jesus brings.

So yes, Tracy Wilde, what a legend.

So yes, I grew up in Australia until I was about 14 years old, came over to Wales,

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