Wow. I never thought that we would head back into these stormy waters, Ed.

You love these waters. I do. And I get used to these waters. I'm used to the temperature of these waters. I'm used to the...

You, like, bought a jacuzzi for these waters.

I, like, bought, like, a condo symbolically to look upon these waters like it's my favorite view of the city.

And what we're talking about is the tumultuous waters of the philosophical world of the sovereign citizen.

And we all know that they, we, we're, everybody that it listens to the last podcast and left knows.

This is a pet subject of mine.

I can't tell if you love it or hate it.

I put them below.

My ironic embracement of them is below Scientology, only just because Scientology has uniforms.

Okay.

That's why.

That's my thing is that cyber citizens don't get together enough to come up with good like metal systems or like a learning process.

Like that's what we need. That's what it really needs is packaging.

I feel like it's almost there.

Yeah, it's getting there.

But we have somebody special today.

It's someone that went into this deeper than me for some reason why you would do this.

I don't know why you would do this to yourself, except to make a truly wonderful film.

We have the director of a new film starring Nick Offerman as a sovereign citizen, which is just like if you couldn't have chosen a better one. Like that's the number one. If it's not him, it's got to be Michael Shannon, but because it's him, that's fucking amazing. We have here the director of this film, Sovereign, Christian Swagel. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Now you wrote this.

Yes. And this is your first writing directing. It is. Yeah. It's my first film as a writer-director.

Congratulations. Congratulations. Is that miserable? It was, I mean, it was a, it was a lifelong, you know, it's a dream come true to get to do a movie. It was miserable making the

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