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Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

South of the Border: A Mexican Perspective on the Free Trade Era (with Juan Carlos Moreno-Brid)

Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Civic Ventures

Business, Government, News, Politics

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

In the sixth episode of our trade series, Pitchfork Economics producer Freddy Doss talks with Mexican economist Juan Carlos Moreno-Brid about how NAFTA — and now the USMCA — reshaped Mexico’s economy in ways that those of us north of the Rio Grande almost never hear about. Yes, exports skyrocketed. But wages stagnated, domestic industry hollowed out, and Mexico became structurally dependent on the United States — even as political rhetoric in the U.S. grew more hostile toward Mexican workers. Moreno-Brid explains why the promised “shared prosperity” never arrived, why Mexico got stuck in an export-without-development trap, and what a truly fair and resilient U.S.–Mexico trade relationship would actually require. It’s a perspective rarely heard in Washington, and an essential one for understanding the real stakes of North American trade. Juan Carlos Moreno-Brid is a professor of economics at the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) and one of Latin America’s leading experts on trade, industrial policy, and economic development. A former Deputy Director of the Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC) office in Mexico, he has spent decades analyzing the impacts of NAFTA and Mexico’s transition to an export-led model. His research focuses on inequality, industrialization, and the structural challenges facing emerging economies. Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics Threads: pitchforkeconomics Bluesky: @pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social TikTok: @pitchfork_econ Twitter: @PitchforkEcon, @NickHanauer, @civicaction YouTube: @pitchforkeconomics LinkedIn: Pitchfork Economics Substack: ⁠The Pitch⁠

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0:00.0

The rising inequality and growing political instability that we see today are the direct result of decades of bad economic theory.

0:10.9

The last five decades of trickle-down economics haven't worked.

0:14.7

But what's the alternative?

0:16.3

Middle-out economics is the answer.

0:18.6

Because the middle class is the source of growth, not its consequence.

0:23.1

That's right.

0:28.7

This is pitchfork economics with Nick Hanauer, a podcast about how to build the economy from the middle out.

0:36.9

Welcome to the show.

0:41.4

Hey, pitchfork listeners, Goldie here. I'm old enough to remember when some politicians

0:47.2

promise that free trade with Mexico would lift all boats, while others warned about that

0:52.6

giant sucking sound coming from the south.

0:56.0

As part of our trade series, producer Freddie Das sat down with economist Juan Carlos Moreno

1:02.5

from the National Autonomous University of Mexico to unpack how NAFTA and the USMCA transformed

1:10.2

Mexico.

1:11.7

Supercharging exports will wages stagnated and inequality widened.

1:16.8

Here's Freddie's conversation with Professor Juan Carlos Moreno.

1:25.9

Hi, my name is Juan Carlos Moreno Brib.

1:29.5

I'm a professor of economics at the University of Mexico, the Faculty of Economic.

1:34.2

It's a pleasure to be here with you.

1:36.9

Before joining UNAM, our national university, I used to be head of research of the Economic Commission for Latin America in the office in Mexico.

1:45.6

I've been working on trade and development for many, many, many years. So here I am. Great talking

1:52.5

to you. And as they say, may you live interesting times and we're really living interesting times.

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