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🗓️ 21 October 2025
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| 0:00.0 | The rising inequality and growing political instability that we see today are the direct result of decades of bad economic theory. |
| 0:10.9 | The last five decades of trickle-down economics haven't worked. |
| 0:14.7 | But what's the alternative? |
| 0:16.3 | Middle-out economics is the answer. |
| 0:18.6 | Because the middle class is the source of growth, not its consequence. |
| 0:23.1 | That's right. |
| 0:28.7 | This is pitchfork economics with Nick Hanauer, a podcast about how to build the economy from the middle out. |
| 0:36.9 | Welcome to the show. |
| 0:41.4 | Hey, pitchfork listeners, Goldie here. I'm old enough to remember when some politicians |
| 0:47.2 | promise that free trade with Mexico would lift all boats, while others warned about that |
| 0:52.6 | giant sucking sound coming from the south. |
| 0:56.0 | As part of our trade series, producer Freddie Das sat down with economist Juan Carlos Moreno |
| 1:02.5 | from the National Autonomous University of Mexico to unpack how NAFTA and the USMCA transformed |
| 1:10.2 | Mexico. |
| 1:11.7 | Supercharging exports will wages stagnated and inequality widened. |
| 1:16.8 | Here's Freddie's conversation with Professor Juan Carlos Moreno. |
| 1:25.9 | Hi, my name is Juan Carlos Moreno Brib. |
| 1:29.5 | I'm a professor of economics at the University of Mexico, the Faculty of Economic. |
| 1:34.2 | It's a pleasure to be here with you. |
| 1:36.9 | Before joining UNAM, our national university, I used to be head of research of the Economic Commission for Latin America in the office in Mexico. |
| 1:45.6 | I've been working on trade and development for many, many, many years. So here I am. Great talking |
| 1:52.5 | to you. And as they say, may you live interesting times and we're really living interesting times. |
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