South Africa's Minister of International Relations - Naledi Pandor
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4.3 • 538 Ratings
🗓️ 20 September 2019
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
South Africa's Minister of International Relations Naledi Pandor talks about the recent spate of xenophobic attacks in South Africa. Twelve people were killed earlier this month when mobs attacked foreign-owned businesses, mainly in Johannesburg. It follows similar outbreaks in 2008 and 2015 which left dozens of people dead.
(Photo: Naledi Pandor (Credit: Mauro Pimentel/AFP/Getty Images)
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to a podcast from the BBC World Service. This is Hard Talk with me, Stephen Sacker. |
| 0:07.0 | Thanks for downloading this edition of the program. I do hope you enjoy it. |
| 0:13.2 | Welcome to Hard Talk with me, Stephen Sacker. My guest today, Nalady Pandore, is a stalwart member of the ANC, who has served as a senior official |
| 0:23.5 | in the administrations of the last three South African presidents and is currently |
| 0:28.2 | Minister of International Relations and Cooperation in the government led by Cyril Ramaphosa. |
| 0:34.6 | This is no easy time to be South Africa's chief representative to the international community. |
| 0:41.0 | For the last few weeks, the country has been rocked by a spate of violent attacks on African migrants, |
| 0:47.2 | which killed a dozen people and saw many hundreds more flee South Africa in fear of their lives. |
| 0:53.8 | Human rights groups have accused the government |
| 0:55.8 | in Pretoria of failing to stamp out a strain of xenophobia which has left many Africans |
| 1:01.8 | wondering what has happened to the rainbow nation of Mandela and the liberation against white |
| 1:08.1 | rule. The impression of a country deeply ill at ease with itself |
| 1:12.3 | runs deeper. Criminal violence has reached shocking levels and violence against women has become a |
| 1:19.3 | national scourge. South Africa is beset with deep-seated social and economic problems. Is it time to |
| 1:26.8 | conclude the ruling ANC is incapable of fixing |
| 1:31.5 | them? Well, now Lady Pandore joins me now on the line from Cape Town. Welcome to Hard Talk. |
| 1:38.6 | Thank you very much and good afternoon. Minister, your country, South Africa, today, looks desperately ill at ease with itself. |
| 1:48.6 | Would you agree? No, I don't think so. I don't think ill at ease. I think South Africa is confronted |
| 1:55.0 | by many very difficult and challenging problems, but given its history, I'm not surprised that is confronted by |
| 2:03.1 | these problems. So I wouldn't characterize us in the way that you have, but I certainly admit |
| 2:11.1 | that we are facing very deep and complex challenges that we have to find solutions for. |
| 2:17.4 | Well, I use the phrase ill at ease with itself, because I think I and many and complex challenges that we have to find solutions for. |
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