In any event, the music was the key thing.

And then music was played when we were living on the Lower East Side, particularly

in the summer, the windows were open, we'd see things in the street fights or people dancing or something. And there'd be music coming from different windows, different places, whether it was rock and roll, swing, or opera, or anything like that.

So that my life was scored with music that I never heard in a film.

So I said, if I had to make a film, I'd put this song against that.

And very often it was quite ironic counterpoint with some pretty awful scene going on down

there and this happy, swinging music going on in the background.

And it was pretty interesting.

And so that's how I saw the world.

And I think Meensth just was the first one to do that last picture show.

But remember, this was all pre-MTV.

Oh, yeah, no. This was not acceptable in formatting. the first one to do that little last picture show. But remember this was all pre-M TV and

oh yeah, this was not acceptable in formatting. No, no, you had to have a score, traditional score.

But I also had listened to, let's say, the music in pads of glory, a Stanley Kubrick's film

where he liked drums, you see, and the percussion in that film is interesting. And then, of course,

his use of music in 2001.

And so for me, and of course you can't forget

that the extraordinary Scorpio Rising, Kenneth Anger,

an underground film that was made in San Francisco

with use of popular music.

And anyway, but it was a 25-minute film, and I saw that,

and I said, well, you know, people could do it.

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