Sounds FVee, August 19, 2024.

Introduction In the recent debate conversation that Jared Longshore and I had with Chris

Gordon, there was one exchange that I thought I needed to get back to. I was

asked to respond to something I had said in an interview back in 2004 and I was not entirely happy with how that response sounded in our discussion with Chris.

At the very least it needed more discussion and so I thought I should take this opportunity to

clarify further. I do so again thanking Chris for the opportunity that this exchange

has created. I ask Chris for his notes on that portion of our exchange, which he very kindly provided, and which gave me the ability to go back and look at the broader context of what I had said.

I mean, 2004 was two decades ago, and I don't even remember what I had for breakfast that day.

Christian Renewal magazine had interviewed the Monroe Four and that interview was later reprinted

by the Council of Galcedon issue 1, page 38.

In the interview, I was asked the following.

Doug, when you cite continuing in goodness in Romans 11, 22, in your 2002 lecture,

is that the cause of our salvation or the fruit of it?

To this I responded with a yes which got a laugh. Doug Wilson. We continue in God's

goodness by trust. We stand by faith. They, unbelieving Israel, fell. But you stand. Doing that to the end is how you come to your salvation.

Wilson. I would say it's a muddling of categories. I do think I would probably agree with Steve Schlissel that the

fruit of belief is more than simply evidence. It's more organically connected to

saving faith than that. So the question before us today is what I meant by

organically connected.

I say that the fruit of belief is more than raw evidence.

More than what?

It is more organically connected to saving faith than that.

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