And here he is Dr Michael Caparelli how are you sir.

Hi Stephen everything is great glad to be on your show thank you for this opportunity

Ah our pleasure entirely thank you for joining us

Maybe you could let our audience know what it is you do, what keeps you busy.

I'm a PhD in behavioral science. I teach as a professor at three colleges in psychology, criminal psychology, abnormal psych.

I'm also, or was for many years a pastor in the prisons working with inmates. So I come from a dual perspective of both

the psychological background as well as if you want to call it a religious or

spiritual perspective.

I met with David Berkowitz, also known as the son of Sam,

convicted serial killer.

He's been incarcerated for 46 years. I met him in New York in prison for 34 sessions one-on-one

the longest analysis of David Berkowitz ever and we discussed the mental health factors that were behind his killings, his 20, I'm sorry, his 13 shootings in New York City back in the 70s as well as the 1400 fires that he lit while he was at

loose in society.

And we also talked about his last 46 years in prison, what that's been like.

And the findings have been included in a book called Monster Mirror.

It was ranked number one on Amazon in the True Crime New Release Section.

And it is a book that I believe is necessary in a day and age where there are mass shootings

13 a week in the United States of America.

And it sheds some light on some of the mental health factors

behind senseless violence.

Yeah, that's a huge start, especially to a Brit that really is that's

quite quite mind-blowing so there's a lot to pick up on there that that's

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