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dot AI slash show me to learn more. That's VE C T R A dot AI slash show me to learn more. The Hello everyone and thanks for joining us for this N2K Cyberwire Special Edition.

On today's episode, our own Simone Petrela speaks with Chris Porter, Chief

Information Security Officer at Fannie Mae. They're discussing cultivating cyber security

culture and talent.

I want to kick off with maybe just letting you share a little bit about yourself and your journey into the role of C.S.

Yes, certainly and I would say it's been quite an interesting path and I'll go back to college because I think that helps set the scene a little bit on how I got to where I am today.

I started off as pre-med when I came out of high school and unfortunately I met

organic chemistry and some other classes in college. I feel like that is the

downfall of all pre-med is organic chemistry.

And I joke today that I think that it saved lives, me going through that class probably.

And so I bounced around for a little while during school.

At one point I moved from pre-med to sports medicine.

I was an athletic trainer for the women's soccer team for a summer, and then I moved over to the men's and women's swim team.

And at that point I had started majoring in psychology,

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