Solidarity Fridays - Week 14
Psychedelics Today
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4.6 • 598 Ratings
🗓️ 3 July 2020
⏱️ 83 minutes
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Summary
In today's Solidarity Fridays episode, Joe and Kyle sit down and talk about various topics in the news.
They first discuss the duality of how Covid-19 affects different people, and how much of a privilege it is to be able to reconnect with family in new ways and use this time to grow spiritually while so many are out of work and struggling to get by.
They discuss a recent tweet from @Shroomstreet concerning psychedelic stocks and the money being invested in this emerging market, and concerns that some of these unknown companies could be fake or following the "exit scam" model of holding onto investor money and then closing up shop. How many of these companies are in it for the right reasons, and what does this all mean on a grand scale?
They talk about recent reports of psychedelic retreats in excess of $10,000 and the various aspects surrounding these prices, from the cost of education and the need for physicians and therapists to make a living while helping others, to the idea of "pay what you can" and taking a hit financially if it means helping the local community or those really in need without the finances to be able to participate in these retreats. Is pastoral counseling or group therapy the best way to help the most people?
And lastly, they talk about Oregon's progress in getting legal psilocybin therapy on the ballot in November and the benefits of legality, most importantly towards the ability to report abusive sitters under a framework that would completely remove them from this field.
Notable quotes
"The Newtonian-Cartesian paradigm is just so focused on the how- on the mechanics of 'how does a psychedelic work? Oh, ok, it can treat this. How does it treat this?' vs. thinking about the idea of final cause and thinking about the why- why do these things exist? What is its purpose, and what is the potential implication here, on a bigger level, than just thinking about this how and thinking 'this thing does this thing and that's all we're really worried about,' not thinking about that overarching why- like, what is the purpose here?" -Kyle
"I think everybody really should be able to access healing eventually. I think people shouldn't be starving to death either, but people are still starving to death. I remember Kwasi (Adusei, in Solidarity Fridays week 10) at one point was like, 'should we bring psychedelics to minority communities for healing?' Well, why not bring regular mental health services first? Let's start with clean water, as opposed to 'let's give them a road that they didn't want.' What's the cheapest, lowest-hanging fruit that's going to give the best reward?" -Joe
"Education programs probably would be really helpful. And I think that's how we fit in. It's a philosophy thing that could be helpful for both recreationalists and people providing therapeutic experiences, and the experiencers themselves too. It helps to have some education before you go to see God." -Joe
"I think states should be experimenting with different ways of going forward. Yes, I want everything to be decriminalized- I want everything to be legal, really- personally. I don't think therapeutic use should be the only use-case. But it's certainly a lot better than what we've got now." -Joe
Links
Shroomstreet's tweet: Why do you think Psychedelic stocks continue to bleed?
Regulated psychedelic mushrooms are one step closer to being on the ballet in Oregon in November
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome back everybody to psychedelics today, a solidarity Friday episode recording on July 1, Stan Groff's birthday. |
| 0:23.6 | Happy birthday, Stan. |
| 0:24.4 | Yeah, happy birthday, Stan coming out on July 3rd, 2020. |
| 0:29.3 | So how are you doing, Kyle? |
| 0:32.3 | Good, Joe. |
| 0:33.0 | How are you doing? |
| 0:34.0 | Lovely, beautiful day here in Colorado yet again. |
| 0:37.4 | Go figure. Nice. It's's 80 so it makes me a little |
| 0:41.6 | nervous i don't like to see it good above that but we'll see so yeah it's been pretty nice and |
| 0:49.1 | warm here on the east coast um i think we need a little rain though yeah yeah i Yeah, I don't like those droughts in the east. |
| 0:55.9 | It's a little awkward. Yeah. So things are getting a little crazy out here. We're talking about |
| 1:02.0 | issuing fines now for people without masks. I think they're doing that in Aspen. They might do it here |
| 1:06.8 | in Breckenridge. It's just such a tourist location. Like Texas is not doing so well with |
| 1:13.2 | containment and there's a lot of Texan tourists coming up. So we're a little nervous about the |
| 1:20.2 | spread here. And with a pretty substantial death toll, like, you know, for the total population, this isn't that serious. |
| 1:29.8 | But for those infected, I read in a scientific American article that the U.S. |
| 1:34.0 | is seeing roughly 6% of those with confirmed infections die. |
| 1:38.7 | And that doesn't really factor in kind of serious injury and lung damage, stuff like that, |
| 1:44.2 | beyond that. So it's a little awkward. I'm starting to get nervous again, though I was |
| 1:48.8 | starting to feel really liberal a few weeks ago. I'm like, uh-oh, what do we do? So I don't know. |
| 1:56.0 | I'm getting a little mentally stressed about it long term. I was thinking about doing some inner work in the future but |
| 2:03.5 | i might kind of just calm down on that let's stuff ride maybe just take meditation more seriously |
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