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Psychedelics Today

Solidarity Fridays - Week 13

Psychedelics Today

Psychedelics Today, LLC

Life Sciences, Science, Medicine, Health & Fitness

4.6598 Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2020

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

In today's Solidarity Fridays episode, Joe and Kyle sit down to talk about topics in the news including Mindmed's phase one research into DMT, the intricacies of intravenous or infusion-pump administration, the potential clinical application of DMT, and whether or not mainstream science is ready to handle some transpersonal phenomena like entity encounters that sometimes occur during DMT experiences. They also discuss the projections for the psychedelic drug market and the intentions of the companies entering this space, and a recent tweet from the Drug Policy Alliance discussing how the war on drugs is a tool of racial oppression. 

They dive deep into the war on drugs and racial oppression by discussing how sentencing for crack-cocaine is much harsher than cocaine (while basically the same drug), how NYC's "stop-and-frisk" program was essentially put in place to put people in jail for cannabis possession, and how Breonna Taylor never would have died if police weren't looking for drugs. They discuss the tragedy of Elijah McClain and what purpose a lot of police activity really serves, while looking at the "protect ourselves first" fraternity mentality that a lot of these power organizations have and how difficult it can be for a good person to become a whistleblower in those situations. 

They also talk about revisiting philosophy through Lenny Gibson and how beneficial it has been to explore that world as more mature people and see connections to psychology, as well as learning the limitations of scientific explanations when dealing with deep, transpersonal experiences.

Lastly, they mention their excitement in participating in the re-scheduled Philosophy of Psychedelics conference coming up next year in England.

Notable quotes

"I stopped doing research on near-death experiences at some point, where I was just like, 'I'm sick of reading about [how] these are just physiological reflexes and responses within the brain, maybe the lack of oxygen, or all the different neurochemistry that's going on within the brain at the time of dying…' There's something so interesting about that experience, that no matter how much mechanistic information I have, there's still something there that eats at me… kind of like this lore… the lore of beauty and life kind of unfolding. It's oriented towards growth and beauty, and I guess that's what some of these experiences have really taught me- and it is that lore to grow, evolve, and move towards something. And I think when I try to put some sort of biological explanation to it, it almost halts that and says 'that experience doesn't really mean that much.'" -Kyle

"Science has limited capacity to help people with meaning-making." -Joe

"Do we have enough spiritual literacy? Do we have an inclusive enough cosmology to handle all of these cases? ...Are psychologists willing to call in an exorcist of some kind? Or some sort of priest [who] can handle this kind of thing? …I tend to think shareholders might be a little creeped out if publicly traded companies are talking about spirits and entities. Are we ready for that?" -Joe

"What does it mean that you have to put somebody in prison for 10 years for a non-violent offense, as a cop? Like, you pulled someone over, you found some drugs in their car, and now they go to prison. And their life is essentially ruined. And you made the decision to become a police officer and uphold laws. Like, can you sit with that and be ok with that, as an individual? Why do you think drugs are so bad that locking another person up in a cage for years and years and years is ok? …[They say], 'because they have meth or fentanyl, they are the most dangerous people out there!' What about the rapists and murderers? What about drunk drivers that could kill 20 kids in one night? Why are you spending time on drug offenses when there are rapists out there? There are tons of untested rape kids at all these police departments across the country."- Joe

Links

NeonMind Files Patent Application for Therapeutic Use of DMT

Philosophy of Psychedelics conference

MindMed investigating potential benefits of DMT in upcoming Phase 1 clinical trial collaboration

Psychedelic Drugs Market Projected to Reach $6.85 Billion by 2027

Drug Policy Alliance's tweet about the drug war

Aide says Nixon's war on drugs targeted blacks, hippies

Jon Krakauer's "Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town"

2 Million People Want Justice For Elijah McClain And His Story Is Gut-Wrenching

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Psychedelics today. This is another one of our Solidarity Friday episodes. How you doing, Kyle?

0:25.7

Good, Joe. How are you doing? Doing pretty good. Beautiful day here again in Colorado.

0:31.5

Nice and sunny out here in New Jersey as well. Good. So we've got a bunch to talk about, I guess, before we dig too far in,

0:41.1

let's just say there's another round of navigating psychedelics open for clinicians and therapists.

0:46.3

It starts in September. And check it out. You can learn more at psychedelic education center.com.

0:51.6

You'll be hearing a lot more from us on that in the future.

0:54.8

But yeah, that's just the start. So got a whole bunch of interesting stuff to discuss today.

1:00.9

I guess first we'll start a little light with a couple of items and then move to the heavy.

1:06.4

So, um, tie, let's talk about the philosophy classes you and I have been in.

1:11.1

Yeah.

1:17.1

So you and I have been studying philosophy pretty heavily with Lenny Gibson now from Dream Shadow for a long time.

1:19.4

I don't even know when we got started, but essentially we're kind of testing out what

1:24.8

it's going to be like to train other people in this kind of philosophy

1:28.3

that underlies our breathwork practice. How have you liked it so far? I was actually talking

1:33.8

to a friend last night about it, just about learning more about philosophy. And I've actually

1:40.4

been really enjoying it. And just saying that I've actually started, I guess, to find like some sort of another passion.

1:49.3

Like I'm finding myself more interested in philosophy over the past few months.

1:54.2

And as I was thinking about it, I guess the reason why is because, I mean, at least the way Lenny is running us through it is like this

2:02.7

history of like how did we get here? How are we in this paradigm and how did the people

2:11.6

before us start to shape this Western thought? And I just find it really interesting to look at the

2:17.4

history of that and just

2:19.2

really understand like where the roots of, you know, scientific thought comes from and how it's

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