Socrates & Alcibiades, the Lovers You Never Knew You Needed (Plato’s Symposium Part 2)

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

Liv Albert

History, Comedy, Arts

4.8 • 5.5K Ratings

🗓️ 13 June 2023

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Not only does Plato's Symposium hype up love between men as quite literally godlike, but it also provides us with the absolutely wild idea of Aristophanean soulmates... Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

Sources: Plato's Symposium, Penguin edition translated by Christopher Gill; public domain translation for long passages, translated by B. Jowett; "Erastes-Eromenos Relationships in Two Ancient Epics" by Morgan van Kesteren.

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0:00.0	In the world of murderous cults, if Charles Manson is king, Cecilia Stein is queen.
0:14.7	She conditioned them to be monsters.
0:16.9	We are all so horrified by the idea that a mother would sell her daughter in this way.
0:23.0	Why stab someone 65 times in a chase?
0:26.9	Queen havoc in her murder cult is a new podcast that investigates the four-year killing
0:31.7	spree carried out by a religious cult in South Africa.
0:35.5	She was telling people the Bible since she was going to kill, but actually she was taking
0:40.4	revenge.
0:41.4	She actually copied the American serial killers a little bit of Charles Manson you can
0:45.5	see a bit of sons of Sam.
0:47.0	Cecilia's cult, called electus per deus, killed 11 people over four years.
0:52.5	Every time you think you understand what's happening, you realize that you're wrong.
0:56.4	I did a go.
0:57.4	That is what happened.
0:59.0	Listen to Queen havoc from the executive producers of Hell and Gone on the I Heart Radio app, Apple
1:04.9	Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
1:08.1	Hi, I'm Ellie Kemper.
1:10.6	And I'm Scott Eckert.
1:11.6	And we're here to talk to you about the things we love on our new podcast, Born to Love.
1:17.4	Each week we'll have a guest join us to talk about something, anything in the world that
1:21.6	they love.
1:22.6	And of course you and I also we get to talk about the things that we love.
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