The timing of this episode is particularly good because obviously American rugby, as you call it, is starting up again, and people are kind of getting in the sport mind frame.

So it'll be, I think, a really important topic to tackle.

And I didn't really touch on this, and maybe we won't get to it.

I didn't touch on it in the outline.

And I'm just going to ask you up front if you want, if you think it's worth touching on,

but kind of the gambling aspect of sports lately and how that is like transformed people's

interaction with sports. I don't know if you have done too much work on that front, but if you had any thoughts.

Well, I've certainly thought about it.

I think that it's an awful thing to say, but I think that that's kind of driving toward

the core essence of what capitalism is all about.

You know, there's this speculative aspect of repeating the capitalist model, you know,

and it creates this expectation that somehow you are almost spiritually blessed

to be able to, quote, unquote, win a lottery, you know, or win at a lottery, or somehow

enhance your own notion of your ability to, quote, unquote, pick a winner.

I mean, it's, I think it's, certainly in the United States, I think it's hard to erase.

I don't think it's going to stop.

I don't think it's going to be eradicated.

I think there's a way to potentially manage it because all of it is, you know,

quote unquote, revenue generating and taking revenue out of the pockets of most people who don't have revenue to bet in the first place and channel it to, you know, a corporate entity at the top where shareholders

who are at the, you know, the absolute pinnacle of the one percent of one-tenth of one percent

of society is reaping the benefits of something that is almost like an alcoholic or drug-induced state when you begin to play

in bed.

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