Social Media Chaos, Remembering Whale Song Scientist Roger Payne. June 23, 2023, Part 2
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🗓️ 23 June 2023
⏱️ 47 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | This is Science Friday. I'm Ira Flato. Later in the hour, we'll remember the life and work of Roger |
| 0:05.7 | Payne, a scientist whose recordings helped to save the whales. But first, it's become pretty normal to |
| 0:12.3 | be glued to our smartphones, constantly checking social media, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, |
| 0:18.7 | TikTok, you know what I'm talking about. And beyond just feeling stuck in an |
| 0:22.5 | endless loop of distraction, we've seen the propensity for social media to easily spread hate speech, |
| 0:28.9 | misinformation, and disinformation, and even play a role in organizing violent acts in the real |
| 0:34.5 | world, like genocide against the Rohingya people in Myanmar, and closer to home, |
| 0:39.8 | the January 6th violent attempt to overturn the election at the Capitol. But how did we get here? |
| 0:46.4 | Has social media fundamentally changed how we interact with the world? And how did big tech companies |
| 0:53.2 | accumulate so much unchecked power along |
| 0:56.6 | the way? Those questions are all addressed in a new book authored by Max Fisher. It's called |
| 1:01.6 | The Chaos Machine, the inside story of how social media rewired our minds in our world. |
| 1:07.9 | He's also an international reporter and columnist for the New York Times based in Los Angeles. |
| 1:13.2 | Max, welcome to Science Friday. Thanks, Sarah. Very happy to be here. I want to start with what I think |
| 1:18.8 | is the central argument in your book. It's not just that bad actors use social media to their |
| 1:24.4 | advantage. These outcomes are actually baked into how these platforms are designed. |
| 1:29.8 | Why is this such an important distinction to make? For so long, we thought, and I include myself |
| 1:35.6 | on this when I started on this project a few years ago, that the big harms in social media came |
| 1:40.5 | from Russian hackers, extremists. But the more that I looked at it, really significant |
| 1:46.6 | effects at this platform, or of these platforms, I should say, and the way that it subtly changes |
| 1:53.3 | how we think, how we consume information, even form our own identities, and our own sense |
| 1:58.5 | of right and wrong. And it's easy to miss that because for |
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