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Social Media Chaos, Remembering Whale Song Scientist Roger Payne. June 23, 2023, Part 2

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🗓️ 23 June 2023

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

We have a new podcast! It's called Universe Of Art, and it features conversations with artists who use science to bring their creations to the next level. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.    When The Promise Of Social Media Becomes Perilous Despite social media’s early promises to build a more just and democratic society, over the past several years, we’ve seen its propensity to easily spread hate speech, misinformation and disinformation. Online platforms have even played a role in organizing violent acts in the real world, like genocide against the Rohinga people in Myanmar, and the violent attempt to overturn the election at the United States capitol. But how did we get here? Has social media fundamentally changed how we interact with the world? And how did big tech companies accumulate so much unchecked power along the way?   Remembering Roger Payne, Who Helped Save The Whales Americans haven’t always loved whales and dolphins. In the 1950s, the average American thought of whales as the floating raw materials for margarine, animal feed, and fertilizer—if they thought about whales at all. But twenty-five years later, things changed for cetaceans in a big way. Whales became the poster-animal for a new environmental movement, and cries of “save the whales!” echoed from the halls of government to the whaling grounds of the Pacific. What happened? Shifting attitudes were due, in large part, to the work of scientist Roger Payne, who died earlier this month at the age of 88. His recordings helped to popularize whalesong, and stoked the public imagination about intelligent underwater creatures who used vocalizations to communicate. In 2018, our podcast “Undiscovered” explored the history of Payne’s work, and that of his colleagues. We’re featuring this episode as a way of remembering his life and groundbreaking work.   To stay updated on all-things-science, sign up for Science Friday's newsletters. Transcripts for each segment will be available the week after the show airs on sciencefriday.com.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm Ira Flato. Later in the hour, we'll remember the life and work of Roger

0:05.7

Payne, a scientist whose recordings helped to save the whales. But first, it's become pretty normal to

0:12.3

be glued to our smartphones, constantly checking social media, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook,

0:18.7

TikTok, you know what I'm talking about. And beyond just feeling stuck in an

0:22.5

endless loop of distraction, we've seen the propensity for social media to easily spread hate speech,

0:28.9

misinformation, and disinformation, and even play a role in organizing violent acts in the real

0:34.5

world, like genocide against the Rohingya people in Myanmar, and closer to home,

0:39.8

the January 6th violent attempt to overturn the election at the Capitol. But how did we get here?

0:46.4

Has social media fundamentally changed how we interact with the world? And how did big tech companies

0:53.2

accumulate so much unchecked power along

0:56.6

the way? Those questions are all addressed in a new book authored by Max Fisher. It's called

1:01.6

The Chaos Machine, the inside story of how social media rewired our minds in our world.

1:07.9

He's also an international reporter and columnist for the New York Times based in Los Angeles.

1:13.2

Max, welcome to Science Friday. Thanks, Sarah. Very happy to be here. I want to start with what I think

1:18.8

is the central argument in your book. It's not just that bad actors use social media to their

1:24.4

advantage. These outcomes are actually baked into how these platforms are designed.

1:29.8

Why is this such an important distinction to make? For so long, we thought, and I include myself

1:35.6

on this when I started on this project a few years ago, that the big harms in social media came

1:40.5

from Russian hackers, extremists. But the more that I looked at it, really significant

1:46.6

effects at this platform, or of these platforms, I should say, and the way that it subtly changes

1:53.3

how we think, how we consume information, even form our own identities, and our own sense

1:58.5

of right and wrong. And it's easy to miss that because for

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