Sobriety, Storytelling, and the Truth About "Mommy Wine Culture" | Jessica Guerrieri (Going Deeper)
Minimalist Moms Podcast | Simple Living for Overwhelmed Moms
Diane Boden
4.8 • 952 Ratings
🗓️ 12 September 2025
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
Going Deeper episodes will be less structured with a more conversational tone. These conversations will focus on interesting people I've come across that share similar values, perspectives and intentions expressed on the Minimalist Moms Podcast.
In this episode, I sit down with debut author Jessica Guerrieri to talk about her novel Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea—and the real-life journey that inspired it. Jessica opens up about motherhood, addiction, and the cultural pressures of “mommy wine culture,” sharing how sobriety, writing, and community became lifelines in her story. This is a raw and hopeful conversation about breaking free from unhealthy narratives, finding healthier ways to cope, and using storytelling to spark empathy and healing.
Previous Going Deeper Episodes:
From Brain Games to Brave Moves: Jerry Kolber’s Journey from TV to Purpose-Driven Podcasting
Building Fount: Business, Family, & the Balance In Between
Stop Saying You Can't: Why Mindset & Community Are Keys to a Healthier You
Building a Business: Navigating Friendship, Challenges & Growth in Podcasting
Choosing Quality Over Quantity (In Most Things) Can Improve Wellbeing
Leaving Corporate for a More Intentional Career
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- Creative Sobriety
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- Website
- Book: Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea
About Jessica |
Originally from the Bay Area, Jessica Guerrieri lives in Davis, California, with her husband and three young daughters. Jessica has a background teaching special education but left the field to pursue a career in writing. Her debut novel, Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, won the Maurice Prize for Fiction from her alma mater, UC Davis. With over a decade of sobriety, Jessica is a fierce advocate for addiction recovery.
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| 0:00.0 | because there's something unique about the experience of being an addiction inside motherhood |
| 0:04.8 | that I felt like more moms should hear. |
| 0:08.8 | And fiction is like a really safe place for us to explore it, especially in like the book club world. |
| 0:15.3 | That would have been like, oh, is there a way that I can be sneaky and get away with this? |
| 0:19.9 | And yeah, there is a way to do that. |
| 0:22.3 | But it comes at a profound cost. It doesn't discriminate against socioeconomic status. And then it |
| 0:30.3 | sort of opens the door to the idea that maybe it could happen to me or maybe it is happening |
| 0:36.1 | to me or maybe it's happening to my sister |
| 0:38.0 | or my, you know, my friend. And how can we talk about it? Alcoholics are not bad people trying to be |
| 0:45.1 | good. They're sick people trying to be well. We will find those methods to cope when we don't feel |
| 0:51.1 | like time is our own. I'm so scared of like who I'm going to be without |
| 0:56.0 | alcohol. You don't understand the person that you are without alcohol, that is where the magic is. |
| 1:03.7 | Like you are the magic. Alcohol is not the magic. Hello and welcome to the minimalist moms podcast. |
| 1:12.5 | In this episode, I sit down with Jessica Guerrari to talk about her novel between the devil and the deep blue sea and the real |
| 1:17.3 | life journey that inspired it. Jessica opens up about motherhood, addiction, and the cultural |
| 1:22.2 | pressures of mommy wine culture. Sharing how sobriety, writing, and community became lifelines in her story. |
| 1:29.5 | This is a raw and hopeful conversation about breaking free from unhealthy narratives, finding |
| 1:34.5 | healthier ways to cope, and using storytelling to spark empathy and healing. |
| 1:39.3 | These going deeper episodes are more of a conversation as opposed to a specific strategic |
| 1:43.7 | interview. I'll be sure to link |
| 1:45.2 | the other ones in the show notes. I have topics such as unschooling, my parent is a hoarder, an Ironman |
| 1:50.5 | battling brain cancer, and the most recent one with creator of the Who Smarted podcast, Jerry Culper. |
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