meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Token CEO

Sobriety, Career Growth and Calling Out AI’s Gender Bias ft. Isabelle Jardin & Helena Shannon

Token CEO

Lemonada Media

Business, Management

4.24K Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

In this episode of WORK, Erika introduces Food52's new resident Test Kitchen creator Isabelle Jardin, who shares her love of cookbook clubs and entertaining. Erika's also joined by Helena Shannon, who shares how nine years of sobriety have fueled her clarity, confidence, and career growth—turning consciousness into a true workplace superpower. From remembering every name in the room to speaking up with conviction, Helena shows how living alcohol-free can sharpen your professional edge. Erika also touches on some current event topics including revealing AI tools advising women and minorities to ask for lower salaries than men—proof that bias is built into our technology. With candid conversations, practical takeaways, and a quick strategery segment on what “breaking down the silos” really means, this episode offers fresh insight for anyone looking to thrive at work while challenging the systems that hold us back.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Lemonada.

0:02.0

Welcome back to work. I'm Erica. This is where we talk about work. We have a special

0:10.0

episode, I feel like I say this every time. We have a special episode for you today. We have two awesome guests. We have Isabel, who is one of our new Test Kitchen creators. She's incredible. She's got a great smile. She's got a

0:23.5

great personality. The woman loves cookbook clubs and she likes entertaining. So you're going to learn

0:28.0

all about Isabel. And then we have another fantastic woman on with us. Her name is Helena Shannon.

0:34.4

She's based in Chicago. She's part of the work like a girl crew. And Helena

0:38.8

wrote a newsletter a couple weeks back for Work Like a Girl called My Sobriety is My Superpower,

0:45.1

which I initially saw the headline and I was like, this is going to be terrible. But it was,

0:49.3

in fact, awesome. So Helena comes and talks about her journey to sobriety and how she makes it through her life and the work, how she makes it through the workplace in general and how being sober has taught her a lot about herself and actually become an advantage for her at work. So that's it and a bunch of other stuff.

1:07.5

Work, work, work, work. bunch of other stuff.

1:22.7

All right. So we're doing current events. Today's current event that is really pissing me off is that, and I guess it's not shocking. We talked about it in the work like a girl slack,

1:27.1

but AI is telling women to ask for less money in job interviews.

1:31.9

So there's been this study and this study exposed that when you told your AI bot that you're a man, you're a certain race, you're a certain age, or you're a specific gender, when you said that you were female, instead of advocating to ask for the most money of the group,

1:50.4

it tells you to ask for less money than it recommends to a man.

1:55.0

So even robots think that women should make 83% of what men make, which is the headline for this segment.

2:02.7

So we read this on the skim, actually.

2:05.1

The story found out that AI often advises women and minorities to ask for lower salaries than men.

2:13.5

Okay.

2:14.7

So sorry.

2:16.8

Well, so let me take a step out. Let's cut that part. All right. So the net, net of this is that the net, so the net net of this is that robots, in fact, think that women should make 80% of what men make. And I think the same is true in this study for minorities, which sucks. It's not surprising, though, because when you think about it, AI is just reflective of the most data and the most information out there.

2:42.8

And most of the information out there in the history of the world thinks that women are inferior to men and should therefore be paid less.

2:50.6

So this stinks, but I think

...

Transcript will be available on the free plan in 25 days. Upgrade to see the full transcript now.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Lemonada Media, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Lemonada Media and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.