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You have done pretty good keeping tabs on it. You're doing better, but I expect more. Guys, big news this week. I guess we now have real, I mean not official, but non-official confirmation that Rondis

is running because otherwise he would not

have released a statement on Ukraine. So DeSantis is going to get in the race, that is a basically a done

deal thing now I believe and he filled out a questionnaire for Tucker Carlson

in which he called the war in Ukraine a territorial dispute and said that it was not in America's vital interest for us to be

prolonging the war over there and that peace was the most part go to the bulwark

dot com and read will Salitan's piece about this in which he unpacks the line by line lawyerly thing which

DeSantis put out but this is interesting for lots of reasons the first of which

is because it tells us where DeSantis is positioning himself, and another of which is that I think it hints that the potential for finally a schism in the Republican and conservative world in which maybe some people will realize that they are closer to

Democratic politics and they are Republican politics. Sarah, talk to me.

I don't know about a schism where people say that they're closer to Democratic

politics. I think that would be an overstatement. I do think that this is a real

cleavage point, like a genuine cleavage point where you're going to get to see who believes in things and who doesn't because...

spoiler.

Well, here's the thing.

Does Nicki Haley believe that America has a leadership role to play in the world?

I think she does. I think that genuinely matters to her.

It's sort of been a big part of her career. And so if she says as she has already done,

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