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I'm in. Thanks for joining us, Virginia Heffernan. I'm happy to see you, not even just on the internet. I know. We were going back and forth. I said, would you join us? You said, sure, let's talk to my PR person, you introduced me to your PR person, said, Peter and I are parentheses, internet, close

parentheses, friends. I mean, why even bother saying internet? Of course, you're internet friends. There's internet and there's real life. And I think that's some of what we're going to talk about. But it's very cool to meet you. So you've got a book out, which is technically the reason you're here, but we want to talk about lots of stuff. Let's talk about the book. Okay. Let's get that out of the way. It's not a chore.

It's just a thing.

Explaining your words,

which is, but we want to talk about lots of stuff. Let's talk about the book. Magic and Lost. Let's get that out of the way.

It's not a chore.

It's just a thing.

Explain your words what this book is about.

Magic and Lost treats the Internet as a massive work of art to which we're all always

contributing.

So everything counts.

Every little eBay review, every message board post, every Facebook like, those are all contributions to this massive work of art. So massive it really can be called a civilization. So this is like a, not like a, this is a social and art sort of criticism of the internet stuff that we sort of pass by and don't think

about a lot. Yeah. By treats, you know, when I say the book treats, I mean with the methodologies

of the humanities, which doesn't, you know, maybe that's an effort to sound technical, but really

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