So ... Should We Ban TikTok?

On with Kara Swisher

New York Magazine

Society & Culture

4.2 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 3 October 2022

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Kara loves air fryer TikToks. But she only dares to scroll through them on a burner phone, as she tells TikTok’s Chief Operating Officer, Vanessa Pappas. As the social media platform has gone gangbusters – accumulating over a billion monthly users globally – concerns have emerged about TikTok’s ownership structure and roots in China. The U.S. government has questions about what data the app is amassing, whether that data can be accessed by the Chinese Communist Party and if the platform is a tool for espionage or foreign interference and propaganda. Kara has those questions too. And she asks Pappas all of them. Before the interview, Kara and Nayeema talk about the newsmakers of the day. They scan through the Elon Musk text messages released in the Twitter-Musk proceedings and explore what the texts reveal about Silicon Valley’s powerful elite – including Twitter founder Jack Dorsey. They also discuss recent layoffs at Meta – and how Mark Zuckerberg will navigate the company’s recent struggles without his former right-hand exec, Sheryl Sandberg. You can find Kara and Nayeema on Twitter @karaswisher and @nayeema. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:30.0	From New York magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is the Rachel Matau show
0:46.0	with her identical twin lesbian, Kara Swisher. Just kidding.
0:50.0	This is on with Kara Swisher and I am Kara Swisher. And I'm Neymaraza.
0:55.0	How are you Kara? Good. I'm really good. I'm a little tired.
0:58.0	I was on Charlemagne the God. Okay, you're the hip-ass. No, I really wasn't.
1:03.0	It was, it underscored to me exactly everyone else was so hip and I was literally the suburban soccer mom sitting there like wow this is cool.
1:15.0	I have been up late at night and early this morning pouring over Elon Musk's text messages and I am surprised you were not in them Kara.
1:23.0	I know I was surprised myself because I had texted him but I actually email him more than anything because he responds quicker.
1:30.0	In any case, he was, they were kind of interesting to read and it sort of gives you an insight into what was going on.
1:35.0	He definitely reaches out to a wide variety of people to get thoughts and a lot of people reach out to him to be, you know, hey cool guy, this kind of thing.
1:42.0	And so including Joe Rogan, I was not saying cool guy whenever I texted him I'm asking for an interview usually or saying why did you do this or something like that.
1:51.0	Elon Musk's texts are coming out to this legal proceeding in Delaware.
1:54.0	Yeah.
1:55.0	Elon Twitter as a ledge has been exclusively conducting business over text so they say.
2:00.0	And as a result of that, these text messages have come out and we are getting extreme insight into the kind of rich and powerful of Silicon Valley.
2:07.0	And the text has just started getting really interesting around late March.
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