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So our next guest started calling into the radio show when he was practically a child,

and we called him Tim the Lawyer.

And he was a lawyer, and he would call in and correct us when we were wrong

or help us out when we didn't understand something like that.

And he was a fan favorite, and that was many, many years ago.

And his more grown-up name, his full name is Tim Sandifer.

He's actually vice president of legal affairs at the Goldwater Institute.

He's an adjunct scholar, whatever that is with the Cato Institute, and he writes books,

including this new book, Proclaiming Liberty, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson,

and the Declaration of Independence by Timothy Sandifer. I hold a signed copy in my hand. I started

listening to it last week. I got the audio version. Tim, welcome to the Armstrong and Getty

show. Thanks for having this old, worn out old man on your show, Jack. How old were you when you started calling in? You had to be young. Yeah, well, it must have been 20, 25 years ago, something like that. So I was in my mid to late 20s. Wow. Cool. I'm listening to your book. Do you consider listening to books counting as reading it? Oh, yes, definitely. Otherwise, I would

have to say that I'd read half as many books as I actually have. Yeah, I know some people don't

count it that way. I actually feel like I retain information better hearing it than reading it.

I know different people's brains are different on that. But I started listening. Yeah, there's different kinds

of books, too. You know, long, long fiction books like the great classics like Victor Hugo or Charles Dickens. I would probably never get through those on paper. I'd much prefer it. And they were actually written with the intention to be read out loud when they were originally published in the 19th century. So I think there's nothing wrong. However, if you listen to the audio of my book, you're missing out on 100 pages of some of the finest footnotes ever written. Not to get distracted, but I'm halfway through Ulysses for the second time. Oh, poor thing. It's awesome. It's my favorite thing I ever read. Why would you do that to yourself? It took my whole life to get to where I could

read it, Bill. I started it like 10 times throughout my life and got like a chapter in and thought

this is ridiculous and a waste of time. Somehow I reached the point by like training my brain

through harder and harder literature that I now can fully enjoy it and it's the greatest thing ever.

Anyway, I don't want to get off on that. Um, so coming up on July the 4th, it will be the 250th anniversary of, you know,

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