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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

So Long, Brexanolone

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Medicine, Alternative Health

4.8440 Ratings

🗓️ 14 July 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

Brexanolone has quietly exited the pharmaceutical stage, and we look at what that means for its stand-in, zuranolone (Zurzuvae), in postpartum depression. CME: (https://www.thecarlatreport.com/blogs/2-the-carlat-psychiatry-podcast/post/5442-environmentally-induced-narcissism)Take the CME Post-Test for this Episode (https://www.thecarlatreport.com/blogs/2-the-carlat-psychiatry-podcast/post/5445-so-long-brexanolone)Published On: 07/14/2025Duration: 12 minutes, 50 secondsChris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

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0:00.0

On April 15th, 2025, Sage Therapeutics withdrew their postpartum depression breakthrough,

0:07.8

IV Brexenolone from the U.S. market. Today, we look at what was lost and what to do without it.

0:18.1

Welcome to the Carlyte Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:23.8

I'm Khrasekine, the editor-in-chief of the Carlat Psychiatry Report.

0:27.5

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:34.9

We launched the first Carlatte podcast in May of 2019, just two months after the FDA approved

0:41.5

Brexanolone, Zorozo, as the first medication for postpartum depression.

0:47.9

Six years later, the manufacturer withdrew Brexanolone to focus on its oral version,

0:52.9

Xerenolone, Zorzo oral version, zorenolone, zerzuvie.

0:55.6

However, these two medications are different. Brexenolone is intravenous, and zarenolone is oral.

1:02.7

And that means different plasma levels and a potentially different effect size.

1:07.5

Today, I'm going to explore this drug and its oral cousin, starting with what's lost in the transition.

1:14.1

Potency.

1:15.4

In terms of potency, IV bruxenolone had a very large effect size, 1.2, while oral xeranolone's

1:24.4

effect size was only moderate, 0.5.

1:28.6

You know, an effect size of 1.2 is remarkable.

1:32.3

Very few treatments in psychiatry rise above 1.0, among them, ECT and IV ketamine.

1:39.8

Yes, I said IV ketamine.

1:43.0

The IV version of ketamine has an effect size that's actually similar to Brexenolone's, 1.2,

1:49.6

but its effect falls to 0.3 when we use the intranasial version, S-ketamine spravato.

1:58.0

IV medications are more common in Europe, where inpatient psychiatrists have long used IV valproate for mania in mixed states and IV catalopram for depression.

2:08.6

Anecdotally, these psychiatrists tell me they get better results with the IV drug.

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