So Long, Brexanolone
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
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🗓️ 14 July 2025
⏱️ 13 minutes
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Summary
Brexanolone has quietly exited the pharmaceutical stage, and we look at what that means for its stand-in, zuranolone (Zurzuvae), in postpartum depression.
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Published On: 07/14/2025
Duration: 12 minutes, 50 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | On April 15th, 2025, Sage Therapeutics withdrew their postpartum depression breakthrough, |
| 0:07.8 | IV Brexenolone from the U.S. market. Today, we look at what was lost and what to do without it. |
| 0:18.1 | Welcome to the Carlyte Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:23.8 | I'm Khrasekine, the editor-in-chief of the Carlat Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:27.5 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:34.9 | We launched the first Carlatte podcast in May of 2019, just two months after the FDA approved |
| 0:41.5 | Brexanolone, Zorozo, as the first medication for postpartum depression. |
| 0:47.9 | Six years later, the manufacturer withdrew Brexanolone to focus on its oral version, |
| 0:52.9 | Xerenolone, Zorzo oral version, zorenolone, zerzuvie. |
| 0:55.6 | However, these two medications are different. Brexenolone is intravenous, and zarenolone is oral. |
| 1:02.7 | And that means different plasma levels and a potentially different effect size. |
| 1:07.5 | Today, I'm going to explore this drug and its oral cousin, starting with what's lost in the transition. |
| 1:14.1 | Potency. |
| 1:15.4 | In terms of potency, IV bruxenolone had a very large effect size, 1.2, while oral xeranolone's |
| 1:24.4 | effect size was only moderate, 0.5. |
| 1:28.6 | You know, an effect size of 1.2 is remarkable. |
| 1:32.3 | Very few treatments in psychiatry rise above 1.0, among them, ECT and IV ketamine. |
| 1:39.8 | Yes, I said IV ketamine. |
| 1:43.0 | The IV version of ketamine has an effect size that's actually similar to Brexenolone's, 1.2, |
| 1:49.6 | but its effect falls to 0.3 when we use the intranasial version, S-ketamine spravato. |
| 1:58.0 | IV medications are more common in Europe, where inpatient psychiatrists have long used IV valproate for mania in mixed states and IV catalopram for depression. |
| 2:08.6 | Anecdotally, these psychiatrists tell me they get better results with the IV drug. |
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