This episode contains occasional course language and we've used some voice actors to bring emails to life.

I've been trying to life.

I've been trying to understand how my brother's ex-wife, Leslie Manukian, thinks. My journey so far has been

gradually digging deeper into the world Leslie lives in.

Actually, it's kind of like two worlds.

It seems like Leslie has a fantasy world where she

invents characters and a Hollywood movie about her life. But she also lives in the

real world where people like my brother Greg are drawn into her spirals.

I was absolutely like a sitting duck mate.

Greg called me the other day and I guess he's been thinking about that too.

Like who's the most prime target for an American female con artist with black hair?

It's Greg Wards. female con artists with black hair.

It's great warts. You couldn't have lined it up better.

Honestly, I would suggest I was the most obvious target.

I was looking for the North American accent.

It was done in Dusted day one man.

So do you think that she actually knew that as well and I guess it just made things easier for her?

No, she didn't know that because she didn't know who I was, but it was the collision of

multi fraudster versus the other side being someone wanting to believe in the

American treatment.

So far I found out about the trouble Leslie got into before she came to New Zealand, but now I want to know about what happened after Leslie left Greg, the Dragonfly, and New Zealand behind.

And the only way to find out more

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