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Wellness with Ella

Sneak preview: The Jonny Wilkinson episode

Wellness with Ella

The Wellness Scoop

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Mental Health

4.74.9K Ratings

🗓️ 28 February 2023

⏱️ 3 minutes

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Summary

This week Ella is joined by Jonny Wilkinson for a candid conversation on replacing external validation with self-worth. They discuss the disconnect between Jonny’s external accomplishments (becoming one of the world’s greatest rugby players) and his internal struggles, his experience with depression and anxiety, the catalyst for addressing his mental health and the tools that enabled him to transform into the man he is today. They discuss: Why external achievements and validation don’t bring lasting joy Succeeding professionally while struggling internally The pressure to keep on achieving Jonny’s experiences with anxiety and depression Getting off the hamster wheel of acting out of fear and low self-worth How to reframe your thoughts to accept difficult circumstances and feelings, unconditionally Cultivating self-trust and a supportive inner voice, and releasing the need to control Why nothing will change if you don’t apply what you understand The importance of regulating your nervous system Jonny’s practices for feeling well Links: Jonny’s podcast I Am… For new subscribers, use code podcast20 to get 20% off the Feel Better App Wellness Toolkit for this episode Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I banked on that Hollywood ending, you know, those credits rolling and me walking into the sun,

0:58.4

setting kind of going, well, that's it, bring on my joy. And that was the thing you thought that

1:03.7

that moment would last, but you have to understand, no moment's going to last.

1:08.5

What were you doing on the 22nd of November 2003?

1:13.5

Johnny Walker said, please direct, you're close! There are times when I kick a ball, and I'm home.

1:21.9

You can't touch me. The 32-year-old won 91 caps for his country and famously secured victory over

1:27.4

the Aussies with a last-minute drop girl in the 2003 Rugby World Cup.

1:36.6

The fact they didn't know that I was sat on the back of the training pitch,

1:41.2

up against a fence in the pouring rain, in my smartest gear just on a muddy field,

1:45.5

just all of my eyes out. I knew that I was down because it was so not me, you know, walking out of

1:52.3

training sessions, not turning up to things in the club, you know.

1:59.7

That imposter syndrome, the inferiority, the kind of weakness, whatever it might be,

2:06.8

all of that stuff, lack of worth, those feelings, you don't conquer them.

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