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The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast

Snake Oil or Self-Help?, Minimalism’s Real Value, and Atheists Who Go to Church

The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast

Mark Manson

Self-improvement, Education

4.83.8K Ratings

🗓️ 12 February 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Self-help is supposed to, you know, help. But what if, sometimes, it actually makes things worse? In this episode, we take a hard look at the self-improvement industry that promises transformation but often sells little more than feel-good illusions. From outdated advice that preys on your insecurities to the dopamine hit of "life-changing" content that changes nothing, we break down why self-help often fails the people who need it most.


Along with unpacking the biggest traps of self-improvement, Drew and I also tackle whether or not minimalism was just an aesthetic rebellion against our parents’ McMansion dreams. We were both once staunch minimalists and we look back on what we learned and what principles still apply to our lives today. We wrap up with a listener question about the ethics of going to church if you’re an atheist. It’s another grab bag episode full of rabbit holes. Check it out.


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Chapters

00:00 Drew's legs are too short for his chair

00:40 The F*ck of the Week: Self-Help that doesn't help26:23 Brilliant or Bullshit: Minimalism43:05 Q&A: Is it ok for atheists/agnostics to go to church?


Theme song: Icarus Lives byPeriphery, used with permission from Periphery.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Drew, I cannot wait for the day that we can finally get rid of these chairs.

0:03.8

Oh, yeah?

0:05.1

I cannot help but slouch in these chairs.

0:07.7

And I've noticed with guests, too.

0:09.0

They've been, yeah.

0:10.0

I can see that's on the footage, too.

0:11.2

Yeah, they're on the struggle bus when they come in.

0:14.5

It gives us a bad reputation.

0:16.1

Well, I have to use this pillow because my legs are so short, too.

0:19.0

If I don't, my legs stick out. Yeah, we got to fix this.

0:21.5

We are going to fix it soon.

0:23.7

Oh.

0:24.7

Stay tuned.

0:26.2

Things are going to change around here.

0:27.6

They're foreshadowing.

0:30.8

It's the subtle art of not giving a fuck podcast with your host, Mark Manson.

0:39.8

What are we talking about today?

0:41.3

Oh, Mark. We're giving a huge fuck this week about our own industry and what we do.

0:47.8

The self-help word. When self-help is not helpful. I think that's the tagline I can

0:52.2

talk with. Is that a good tagline? I don't know.

0:54.2

That's pretty good. It's not too bad. Yeah. That's pretty good. There was, uh, it's about 12 years,

0:59.2

more than 12 years ago now. Back in 2012, you wrote this article called five problems with the self-help

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