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Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

Snake Eyes: Murder in A Southern Town with Bitty Martin

Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

iHeartPodcasts and CrimeOnline

True Crime

4.4696 Ratings

🗓️ 18 October 2023

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, talks with guest Bitty Martin, from Hot Springs, Arkansas. The duo discuss the chilling narrative of Cathie Ward, a 13-year-old young girl whose tragic demise in 1966 under suspicious circumstances left an indelible mark on her community. Bitty also speaks on Cathie’s last days, examining the complex backdrop of her family life. They also dissect the sinister role of Frank Davis, the Black Snake Ranch owner, and what led the community to believe he had been involved in Cathie’s death.

Show Notes:

  • [0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum.  
  • [0:30] Sheryl shares a childhood story of losing a classmate to death for the first time
  • [1:50] Sheryl introduces Bitty Martin to the listeners 
  • [3:15] Question: Can you tell the listeners how you got to know Cathie Ward?
  • [3:20] Bitty gives a brief background of her childhood friendships
  • [5:12] Snake Eyes: Murder in A Southern Town
  • [7:48] “Kathy was lost somewhere on the trails. But said they knew she'd be alright when they found her.”
  • [9:27] Question: What did Frank Davis tell law enforcement about Cathie Ward?
  • [13:20] Question: Can you tell us about Mary Sue Tracy and her daughter Leslie?
  • [20:15] Question: Can you tell us how you and your childhood friends made it an annual event to research this case?
  • [21:35] Question: The first year you went back to Cathie's gravesite, you took something very significant along with you. Can you tell us about that? 
  • [27:35] ​​”Time doesn't take away from friendship, nor does separation.” -T.W
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.  

You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

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0:00.0

When you're a kid, all the first are just embedded in your mind forever. That first pet,

0:17.2

your first bike, your first kiss, and that first death, especially if that death is a friend.

0:26.6

When I was 12 years old, we lost a classmate.

0:30.6

I remember our teachers, all of them, coming in and talking to us all at once, a big group.

0:36.6

And when they told us, I just remember staring at her empty desk.

0:43.6

I was sad, but oddly, I was also a little scared.

0:47.6

I didn't know why.

0:49.4

I knew grandparents could die.

0:51.9

I knew it was rare, but even maybe a parent could die.

0:57.0

But it had never dawned on me that a kid could die, especially one that I knew.

1:02.0

Everything seemed to be just off balance.

1:05.0

There are a lot of classmates from that year that I don't remember at all, but I remember Tracy. She will

1:12.4

forever be 12, and I will forever remember the last time I saw her. We had a stacked kickball

1:20.2

team, and honey, she was our ringer. Just the day before, we had had a field day, and all the games that were played, our team won everything.

1:31.1

We sweep the whole thing.

1:33.1

I remember she wore bright white knee socks with colored stripes just at the top, short shorts, and an electric light orchestra t-shirt.

1:43.3

E-L-O, baby.

1:44.4

She loved them.

1:46.5

Tonight we have Biddy Martin.

1:50.7

And let me tell you something.

1:52.5

She and I became fast friends.

1:55.6

We met in Arkansas at the True Crime Fest.

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