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This season of smart talks with IBM is all about new creators, the developers, data scientists,

CTOs, and other visionaries creatively applying technology in business to drive change.

They use their knowledge and creativity to develop better ways of working, no matter the industry.

Open hosts from your favorite Pushkin Industries podcasts as they use their expertise to deepen these conversations.

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Hello, hello, welcome to smart talks with IBM, a podcast from Pushkin Industries, iHeartRadio, and IBM. I'm Malcolm Gladwell.

This season we're talking to new creators, the developers, data scientists, CTOs, and other visionaries who are creatively applying technology in business to drive change.

Channeling their knowledge and expertise, they're developing more creative and effective solutions, no matter the industry.

Our guest today is Sherry Heinish. At IBM she's the global leader for sustainability services and offering leader for sustainable supply chain and circularity.

But to her friends, she's better known as the supply chain queen.

Sherry's job is to help businesses design and build supply chains that are environmentally sustainable and socially equitable.

She's helped guide strategy for Fortune 500 companies and has won numerous top awards in her industry.

Sherry has worked with companies like Salesforce and UPS to shape thought leadership around supply chain, and she's also a major advocate for greater inclusion and diversity in her field.

On today's show, why sustainability in supply chains is good for the planet and for profits?

How technology can ethically reshape the way consumers source their goods and what the supply chain crisis has revealed about the interdependence of our societies?

Sherry spoke with Tim Hartford, host of the Pushkin podcast, Cauchnery Tales, and longtime columnist at the Financial Times, where he writes the undercover economist.

In addition to publishing several books and economics, he's also a BBC broadcaster with his show More or Less.

Okay, let's get to the interview.

Sherry, thanks so much for joining me. And I've been looking at your job titles. I've got the official job title, IBM's global sustainability services leader and offering leader for sustainable supply chain.

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