Welcome everybody to another episode of the Outlier Health Podcast. I'm joined with my partner

Matt Frazier and this is going to be an unstructured unplanned conversation because I threw a curveball at him and decided we're going to talk all things sleep today.

So Matt, how did you sleep last night?

It's actually ironic funny choice of topic because I had a very bad sleep last night. I talked about it on the

plant-based morning show. I'm trying all manner of things recently to fix it because I've slept badly for a while.

We have a foster dog right now and a puppy and a cat.

And like one or usually two of them will wake me up at different times

of the night for different reasons.

And man, I end up getting enough sleep but I it's broken up so like there's a two hour gap between

You know when I'm up between like four and six and it just it just kills me. I just feel terrible the next day so I'm'm working on it, but that's the story of my life in many ways.

How about you? How'd you sleep?

Well, I have three small children and a jana is is nursing the the newest one so sleep is

definitely broken up and it's actually an interesting I didn't expect to go there that quickly in this conversation but I've actually found that I can do way better on five or six hours of sleep which is not ideal by any means. If it's five or six hours of contiguous sleep,

as it was like eight hours of sleep, but like punctuated because a kid is sick and waking up every two to three hours because their throat hurts or their noses stuffed or whatever, which is really interesting.

And I can't imagine how you deal with that,

or if I matter how either of my...

Yeah, I try to tell myself that like,

it's, that it's still healthy, that I'm getting the health benefits of that much sleep because that's my real concern is like you know if you go and I have I go years and years with just interrupted sleep where you're up for two or three hours in the night

you know that's generally not a good thing I think link to Alzheimer's in in later life I mean lack of sleep is

and other bad things but it's funny because there's like that whole sleep, like the multi, what's it called,

polyphasic sleep community where they like sleep 40 minutes a night or whatever and they break it up into these

naps and somehow their body learns to get very quickly into the deep stages of sleep.

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