Welcome to bewildered. I'm Martha Beck here with Rowan Mangan. At this crazy moment in history,

a lot of people are feeling bewildered, but that actually may be a sign we're on track.

Human culture teaches us to come to consensus, but nature, our own true nature, helps us come

to our senses. Rowan and I believe that the best way to figure it all out is by going through

a wilderness into bewildered. That's why we're here. You know what I'm saying out in the world

is a lot of fear and a growing amount of despair. Maybe you're feeling that way too,

because the ways our culture has taught us to navigate the world, to navigate our lives,

they are failing us. We need a new language. We need a new set of tools to find our way individually

and as a group. And I know we can still do this. I put everything I do know about it into

wayfinder life coach training and the tools that I teach there are to help people redefine

how we relate to each other, how we make a living, how we do community. We can only change the world

for the better if we redefine how we think. Registration is open for the fall and the world needs

wayfinders now more than ever. So please go to MarthaBag.com and you'll find your way.

Hi, this is Marty and I'm Rowan. You've arrived in another episode of bewildered

the podcast for people trying to figure it out. I've been trying to figure it out lately

by watching reruns of criminal minds, which I thought was a really good way to do it.

Marty got herself a cookboard with some pins and some of that red yarn stuff and anyway,

she paced the crime together brilliantly, figuring it out on the spot. Oh yes, all crime, all crime.

If you have enough pins and enough red string, you end up full of pins and tangled in red string,

but you will have solved every crime ever committed, which is what I did. Brilliant. Yeah.

And let me just say that ordinary house cats are much more dangerous than you think.

Do you know what? I have always suspected that. I think most people do get a feeling. I mean,

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