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I have taken a gummy for this experience because we're going to be going over the final

Real Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion, which was just wow. A bittersweet end, farewell pirate ships.

I believe there were icebergs in the background. Look, I can't sit here saying that I approve of

partaking in the wacky tobacco and the gummy for you tell me. And then judge a creation like that

that could only have come from a psychedelic, we have to praise it,

we have to appreciate it. I hope that camp is the theme for every single reunion set backdrop.

I want to see more of this. Get nuts. Get crazy. Give me something to look at during the dull moments.

I kind of, I did appreciate it.

So many thoughts. Linda's popping off on social media. We have a lot of things going on. Let's get started. I'm not going to do, this happened, then this happened, then this happened. Because it was too much. I'm just going to go over topics and subject matter, how they were addressed and who said what. We'll see if we can make sense of it. I think I walked out of there with more questions and answers last night.

And I'm going to go by the Eat the Frog strategy, which is do the thing that you don't want to do the most first, and that would be talk about the black eye. Release us, black eye. When it all first went down, everybody thought Jen Shaw did it. Heather said, no, she didn't. It was an accident. Then she wouldn't tell us what happened. And then she said it was a cabinet door. And then she wrote in her book. And then there was an

investigation by Bravo. And she swore that Jen Shaw didn't do it. And now, years later, we're

told that Jen Shaw did do it. And Heather was covering for her. And that's part of the reason why

she never wants to be friends with

anyone that even reminds her of Jen Shaw again, that she was triggered by Monica, and that

being around Monica during this entire Bermuda debacle made her stronger and gave her the

opportunity to do something that she never got to do with Jen, which was stand up to her. And at the reunion, she says that if Jen Shaw wasn't in prison, she doesn't

know if she ever would have had the strength to say enough is enough. But then in an interview

with Variety Magazine, she said, and had she, as in Jen, been on the reunion couch, I would have said the same

thing, and that would have felt really good. And that felt really good to me, that it wasn't just that

she was in prison. It wasn't just that I was safe now. It was that I was a different person now,

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