Slavery and the Northern Economy
Teaching Hard History
Learning for Justice
4.2 • 588 Ratings
🗓️ 10 July 2025
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Summary
When we think of slavery as a strictly Southern institution, we perpetuate a "dangerous fiction," according to historian Christy Clark-Pujara. Avoid the trap with this episode about the role the North played in perpetuating slavery and the truth behind the phrase "slavery built the United States."
Join host Hasan Kwame Jeffries, Ph.D., and Learning for Justice, a project of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). (This episode originally aired in Jan. 2018.)
Visit the new resource page for this episode (2025), which includes essential ideas from the conversation, teaching recommendations and updated resources. A complete transcript is also included.
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| 0:00.0 | My people are from Kelly, Georgia, which is a little more than an hour's drive east of Atlanta. |
| 0:07.0 | There they experience the horror of enslavement and the joy of emancipation. |
| 0:13.0 | My great-grandfather was born there, around 1870. |
| 0:16.0 | He was the first in my family born free on American soil, |
| 0:20.0 | and I was born a century later, |
| 0:22.4 | a world away in Brooklyn, New York. |
| 0:25.8 | Growing up in Brooklyn, all of the family members I knew lived in and around New York. |
| 0:30.7 | And while I did think about the enslavement of my ancestors, I didn't dwell on slavery itself. |
| 0:36.8 | Just about everything I had been taught in school about |
| 0:39.2 | the peculiar institution focused on the cotton-producing South. And every time I checked, there |
| 0:45.7 | weren't any cotton fields in New York City. But I began to think differently when I enrolled at |
| 0:50.5 | Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia. At Morehouse, my dorm room could have easily |
| 0:56.6 | been mistaken for a shrine to New York. Together with my roommate who also hailed from the city, |
| 1:02.4 | every inch of every wall was plastered with reminders of the Big Apple. There was a poster for |
| 1:09.0 | Moe Better Blues, a Spike Lee joint, penance for the Mets |
| 1:12.4 | and the Yankees. I was the Mets fan, of course, and he was the Yankees fan, and even a New York City |
| 1:17.9 | street sign, but don't ask us how we got that. And much to the chagrin of my professors, |
| 1:22.4 | I didn't confine my New York nationalism to my dorm room. I freely shared it in the classroom, including |
| 1:30.0 | during discussions about slavery in America. I don't remember exactly what I said in my freshman |
| 1:36.4 | history class about American slavery that day, but it was some wisecrack about slavery being basically |
| 1:42.1 | a southern thing. I do remember exactly how Dr. Windham responded. |
| 1:47.3 | Brother, he said, you got a lot to learn. And he was right. So I did what many people believe is |
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